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In reply to the discussion: Obama will not veto National Defense Authorization Act [View all]Aerows
(39,961 posts)38. An analysis
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/12/does-the-ndaa-authorize-detention-of-us-citizens/
This is about as nonpartisan as analysis gets. He has the same concerns I expressed - the language is vague and it doesn't require military detention of US citizens, but it doesn't explicitly deny it.
From the article:
"First, section 1031 is the explicit grant of detention authority. It no longer says anything about US citizenship, one way or the other. It is just like the AUMF in that respect. Of course, we need to recall that the Supreme Court in Hamdi had no trouble concluding that insofar as the AUMF provided detention authority for persons captured in combat in Afghanistan, that authority extended to US citizens (Hamdi left open the question whether the AUMF provided detention authority to other contexts, and if so whether citizenship would remain irrelevant in those other contexts). In any event, against this backdrop, section 1031 as currently writtenand if examined in isolationwould not alter the somewhat uncertain status quo regarding the availability of detention for citizens. But 1031 does not stand in isolation. Consider section 1032.
Section 1032 is the supposedly-mandatory military detention provisioni.e., the idea that a subset of detainable persons (covered persons in the lingo of the statute) are not just detainable in theory, but affirmatively must be subject to military detention (though only until one of several disposition options, including civilian custody for criminal trial, is selected). Section 1032 then goes on, in subpart (b), to state expressly that US citizens are exempt from this mandatory detention requirement (though lawful permanent residents are not).
This obviously rules out the idea of a mandatory military detention for US citizens. But note that it tends to rule in the idea that the baseline grant of detention authority in 1031 does in fact extend to citizens. Otherwise there would be no need for an exclusion for citizens in section 1032, since the 1032 category is a subset of the larger 1031 category."
And if that isn't enough reading, here's another article by an Admiral and Judge Advocate General:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/admiral-and-judge-advocate-general-says-indefinite-military-detention-of-u-s-citizens-is-a-win-for-terrorists-the-enemy-is-just-laughing-over-this-because-they-will-have-gotten-another-victory.html
This is about as nonpartisan as analysis gets. He has the same concerns I expressed - the language is vague and it doesn't require military detention of US citizens, but it doesn't explicitly deny it.
From the article:
"First, section 1031 is the explicit grant of detention authority. It no longer says anything about US citizenship, one way or the other. It is just like the AUMF in that respect. Of course, we need to recall that the Supreme Court in Hamdi had no trouble concluding that insofar as the AUMF provided detention authority for persons captured in combat in Afghanistan, that authority extended to US citizens (Hamdi left open the question whether the AUMF provided detention authority to other contexts, and if so whether citizenship would remain irrelevant in those other contexts). In any event, against this backdrop, section 1031 as currently writtenand if examined in isolationwould not alter the somewhat uncertain status quo regarding the availability of detention for citizens. But 1031 does not stand in isolation. Consider section 1032.
Section 1032 is the supposedly-mandatory military detention provisioni.e., the idea that a subset of detainable persons (covered persons in the lingo of the statute) are not just detainable in theory, but affirmatively must be subject to military detention (though only until one of several disposition options, including civilian custody for criminal trial, is selected). Section 1032 then goes on, in subpart (b), to state expressly that US citizens are exempt from this mandatory detention requirement (though lawful permanent residents are not).
This obviously rules out the idea of a mandatory military detention for US citizens. But note that it tends to rule in the idea that the baseline grant of detention authority in 1031 does in fact extend to citizens. Otherwise there would be no need for an exclusion for citizens in section 1032, since the 1032 category is a subset of the larger 1031 category."
And if that isn't enough reading, here's another article by an Admiral and Judge Advocate General:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/admiral-and-judge-advocate-general-says-indefinite-military-detention-of-u-s-citizens-is-a-win-for-terrorists-the-enemy-is-just-laughing-over-this-because-they-will-have-gotten-another-victory.html
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Well, it will be our freedom loving military doing the deciding who is to be kidnapped.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2011
#21
Here is Section 1031 - which includes the Feinstein amendment language (e) 'bolded'
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#41
Your link timed out. The problems are with section 1031, not 1032, as I understand it.
JDPriestly
Dec 2011
#66
Hubby says he will not vote for him period. I fluctuate between no and he's better than repukes
peacebird
Dec 2011
#91
Yes you are correct. See comments #36 and #41 for the text of those two sections. n/t
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#42
You like the idea of the military being able to pick of "suspects" anywhere in the world?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2011
#19
Yes, apparently the AP is misreporting it. Perhaps they did not read the Feinstein amendment.
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#29
What I see as more likely is that the fear of indefinite detention modifies people's behaviors
bhikkhu
Dec 2011
#80
I think the only reason people are pissed is because they have NOT read the bill
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#43
I think you're wrong-- I think people are pissed because they see a system way out of control
spooked911
Dec 2011
#57
We are pissed off because we HAVE read the bill, and we know about KBR's contract to build detention
TBF
Dec 2011
#61
Well, to hell with him and every traitor that voted "aye". There should be consequences for
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#26