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Tsiyu

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34. There also need to be classes for men on HOW NOT TO RAPE

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:55 AM

Dec 2012

There are more than a few men who never got those lessons at home, and colleges and universities and our military need to get with 2012

Here's what I don't get:

On the one hand some guys are saying "men are responsible creatures" and then on the other hand, they claim that men are too ignorant to learn from a rape awareness class.

So which is it?

Are men incapable of controlling themselves, or can we teach them ways they can be more responsible partners and friends?

Are they wild slaves of their hormones with no chance of stopping themselves from rape if they feel like it, or can we possibly teach college men to acknowledge date rape, to look out for it, to help protect their fellow students?

Which is it?

And what is wrong with saying "Don't Rape?" Is that too offensive for college men?

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The college class on avoiding rape. Please move on, nothing to see here. [View all] Vox Moi Dec 2012 OP

it should be for both young men and women, and early in HS, the latest. bettyellen Dec 2012 #1

I second that ... Vox Moi Dec 2012 #2

thinking on it both sexes need to know what the laws are in specific scenarios as well as tips on bettyellen Dec 2012 #17

This. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #54

I think middle school would be good Marrah_G Dec 2012 #5

you're right. most were saying college before- but it;s obviously way too late. bettyellen Dec 2012 #18

I would say to such people who think nothing of a need for radical change to "Go to Hell." NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #3

Please do explain ... what radical change, specifically? Vox Moi Dec 2012 #7

What an idiotic picture, we teach people how to avoid being robbed. Kurska Dec 2012 #68

I think you were missing the point of the picture Marrah_G Dec 2012 #4

The problem with the picture was that it set up a fight rather than a discussion Gore1FL Dec 2012 #12

She was trying to raise awareness to the problem Marrah_G Dec 2012 #13

Except that she didn't start the discussion one would assume she actually wanted to have. Gore1FL Dec 2012 #38

the fact that it set up a fight says far more about the people who are upse with the sign than niyad Dec 2012 #15

I am not against the rape awareness class. Gore1FL Dec 2012 #46

no, that picture said nothing of the kind--nowhere was there a mention of a self-defense class, niyad Dec 2012 #47

Nevermind. Gore1FL Dec 2012 #50

really? I am simply asking you to show where these things are that you are talking about. nice try, niyad Dec 2012 #83

it's odd how many posts are angry/ dissaproving about things never said here...... bettyellen Dec 2012 #59

"strident"? Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #21

It attacks rather than discusses. Gore1FL Dec 2012 #39

'Strident'means loud, harsh, grating and is almost always used to refer to women. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #41

I meant that it was used to pick a fight and not have a discussion. Gore1FL Dec 2012 #44

Well, I disagree about the nature of the sign. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #45

how about ACCURATE? niyad Dec 2012 #48

No. That's not the word either. n/t Gore1FL Dec 2012 #51

can you tell us what you mean by "rape awareness"? CTyankee Dec 2012 #73

Whatever she meant by "Don't Rape" in her sign. Gore1FL Dec 2012 #80

No, I mean what YOU think rape awareness means. What subjects would be considered in CTyankee Dec 2012 #81

Course design isnot my speciality, but if I were going to design one Gore1FL Dec 2012 #82

I would center it on what we know about why men rape and how societal norms have CTyankee Dec 2012 #85

her poster was pithier, stronger voice and more effective- bettyellen Dec 2012 #56

If the point is to be pithy you and she win. Gore1FL Dec 2012 #60

i forgive you- everyone gets confused Gore1Fl.... I'm sure you meant to be helpful and had no idea bettyellen Dec 2012 #62

welcome to DU niyad Dec 2012 #49

no, it set up a men's pity party and multiple attempts at thread jacking bettyellen Dec 2012 #22

This would be an example pof what I was talking about. Gore1FL Dec 2012 #40

I relayed the truth of what happened on that thread. Why would you object? bettyellen Dec 2012 #57

The college my niece attends did do this for the young women and it counts as a credit Hestia Dec 2012 #32

I think the rape awareness class is a good idea too. n/t Gore1FL Dec 2012 #43

Did it offend your delicate sensibilities? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #33

This is my point exactly. Gore1FL Dec 2012 #42

So, should there also be "how to avoid being beaten up for your effeminate behavior" classes? NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #6

Here's a class: 'Dangerous Situations that we don't cover because we don't think they should exist.' Vox Moi Dec 2012 #8

I would have motherfucking zero tolerance for any assault based on sex, gender, or orientation. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #10

Let's make that any assault at all ... and thanks. Vox Moi Dec 2012 #11

thanks, but hate crimes and sex crimes are special status for a reason..... bettyellen Dec 2012 #24

i think peer group sensitivity classes work for kids though... and we sorely need to set higher bettyellen Dec 2012 #25

K&R !!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #9

I took one of those. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #63

I think we should give the poster a chance to describe what he/she means by rape CTyankee Dec 2012 #76

you missed the point of the sign, apparently. "avoiding dangersous situations"?? sounds a bit niyad Dec 2012 #14

Do you lock the door to your home? mythology Dec 2012 #26

But rape prevention instruction DOESN'T blame the victim. DirkGently Dec 2012 #86

You lost me on the last line: thucythucy Dec 2012 #16

don't forget the sentence above that "it isn't a question of right or wrong". niyad Dec 2012 #19

That too. thucythucy Dec 2012 #23

You are looking for enemies where there are none. Vox Moi Dec 2012 #31

I have no idea what you think you're trying to do. thucythucy Dec 2012 #36

It wouldn't and didn't prevent me from being raped. salin Dec 2012 #20

It especially doesn't work if the woman is physically handicapped... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #29

Point well taken. salin Dec 2012 #30

It is also the method which gets the better overall outcome. /nt TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #27

frankly I think that a class on avoiding being a victim of crime would make sense dsc Dec 2012 #28

cross the street... right. and we are being attacked in another thread for crossing the street seabeyond Dec 2012 #71

I guess you forgot to read the class for both genders part dsc Dec 2012 #84

There also need to be classes for men on HOW NOT TO RAPE Tsiyu Dec 2012 #34

No, see, here is where you are missing it, I think. ElboRuum Dec 2012 #55

What is your area of expertise on this that you feel qualified to come "clarify for us"? experts bettyellen Dec 2012 #58

Why so tense? ElboRuum Dec 2012 #61

wow, calm down dude, LOL. So, you admittedly have NO expertise and yet you shot down bettyellen Dec 2012 #64

Calm down? ElboRuum Dec 2012 #72

Calm down-you seem really agitated. bettyellen Dec 2012 #74

bettyellen... ElboRuum Dec 2012 #78

I wasn't any more excitable than you, seriously.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #79

I will accept any critique... ElboRuum Dec 2012 #87

You are wrong in a very profound way Tsiyu Dec 2012 #66

I am willing to accept the idea that I am wrong. ElboRuum Dec 2012 #69

Thank you. You just made my day Tsiyu Dec 2012 #70

Which do we hear more often: "don't drink and drive" or "avoid drunk drivers"? NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #35

Excellent point! thucythucy Dec 2012 #37

common sense tips loyalsister Dec 2012 #52

good point- and most stats say people do NOT understand the law, it needs to be clarified in detail bettyellen Dec 2012 #65

Do it Prometheus_unbound Dec 2012 #53

This is an important part of it, yes. bettyellen Dec 2012 #75

How about this? Eyes of the World Dec 2012 #67

Stop talking reason naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #77