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In reply to the discussion: The rape threads point to a larger need...revolutionary change in what it is to be "a man". [View all]redqueen
(115,186 posts)27. Those numbers are SO popular.
Here's some information about that oh-so-popular myth.
http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/science/articles/PORN-AND-SEXUAL-CRIME/
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So whats the catch? Why is there support for both sides? Well, the porn pushers love to talk about these studies because they seem to validate their points. What they dont like to talk about is how the people who have since reviewed these studies have found some major flaws in the conclusions. It turns out that there are a couple of things that distorted the results.
First of all, at the same time that pornography was legalized in all of those countries, a lot of other sex crimes including peeping, indecency towards women, and certain types of incest, were also made legal. So with those things no longer considered a crime, its no wonder the crime rates dropped.
Second, Kutchinsky put rape in the same category as less serious sex crimes. That made it easier to hide the fact that serious crimes like rape actually increased after pornography was legalized in Denmark (5).
Porn advocates also dont like to talk much about the results of studies in Sweden, Great Britain, New Zealand, and Australia, where the number of rapes increased when the constraints on the availability of pornography were lifted. Like how when South Australia liberalized its laws on pornography and Queensland maintained its conservative policy . . . the number of rapes in Queensland remained at the same low level while South Australias showed a six fold increase over a 13 year period (25).
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So whats the catch? Why is there support for both sides? Well, the porn pushers love to talk about these studies because they seem to validate their points. What they dont like to talk about is how the people who have since reviewed these studies have found some major flaws in the conclusions. It turns out that there are a couple of things that distorted the results.
First of all, at the same time that pornography was legalized in all of those countries, a lot of other sex crimes including peeping, indecency towards women, and certain types of incest, were also made legal. So with those things no longer considered a crime, its no wonder the crime rates dropped.
Second, Kutchinsky put rape in the same category as less serious sex crimes. That made it easier to hide the fact that serious crimes like rape actually increased after pornography was legalized in Denmark (5).
Porn advocates also dont like to talk much about the results of studies in Sweden, Great Britain, New Zealand, and Australia, where the number of rapes increased when the constraints on the availability of pornography were lifted. Like how when South Australia liberalized its laws on pornography and Queensland maintained its conservative policy . . . the number of rapes in Queensland remained at the same low level while South Australias showed a six fold increase over a 13 year period (25).
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The rape threads point to a larger need...revolutionary change in what it is to be "a man". [View all]
Ken Burch
Dec 2012
OP
As a guy who has done a lot of things that many would call "manly" while in the military and stuff
Victor_c3
Dec 2012
#3
Do you have any source for the numbers you so blithely toss about? - n/t
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#19
"fightthenewdrug" list, among their 'scientific' sources, James Dobson and Donald Hilton.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2012
#85
According to the DOJ, the forcible rape rate has decreased approx. 25% since the 1992 peak.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2012
#109
Right, the definition was changed in 2011. The data reflects the old definition.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2012
#140
Any article using that leaderu crap as a source is extremely tainted, imo...
Violet_Crumble
Dec 2012
#147
the decline can also be the concerted effort of police force across the nation to downgrade rapes
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#40
For that to work, statistically, this would have to be a uniform concerted effort that has gotten
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2012
#118
yes and you can find documention starting in the 90's. i have provided it so many times
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#123
you don't want to do something about the 25% of your friends and family that will be raped?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#53
But see. these posts are a reaction to crazy ideas in their heads...LOL.. now I'm wanting to deprive
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#74
we really cannot escape the fact that rape is 98% done by men. and we won't STFU because this
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#56
You're issue was we're unfair to the small percentage of men who are victims because we
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#117
The original "witch hunts" actually led to men(often churchmen) having women burned to death.
Ken Burch
Dec 2012
#72
Women still are property in a significant part of the world, and they rely on men elsewhere
FarCenter
Dec 2012
#34
Ken, at the risk of sounding like one of those doctrinaire Soviets, I would argue that
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#23
Changing masculinity can, in fact, be part of the process of changing the system of exploitation.
Ken Burch
Dec 2012
#70
A beautiful and evocative description of dialectics (where superstructure
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#84
love your post. it is easy in the parenting. no one looses. it is win, win, win
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#41
the fixation with winning and dominance at any cost is displayed in most posts attempting to quell
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#61
"It's on us men"? Okay, well here's the starting point: award child custody to fathers.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#44
why are all the man posts advocating for more for them, LOL. Porn, custody rights...
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#54
Wow- you suggest women who were raped should "get over it" because your wife did?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#94
MRA buddy, damn straight the MRA will tell us women false claim rape 45-75%, those.... right?
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#103
As I expected... I've been accused of Misgyony simple for expression my position.
jimlup
Dec 2012
#137
super enlightening comments after this blog post about how difficult friends and SOs can find it
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#58
Um... plenty here think "the onus of rape prevention should be on women" but you missed all that.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#80
Rape is the fault and responsibility of white cis gender hetrosexuals!! nt
cecilfirefox
Dec 2012
#92
This is such a great post that really speaks the truth. I wish I could recommend it a million times
LiberalLoner
Dec 2012
#120
society doesn't prize those things only in men, it prizes them *period,* in all things.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#141