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a geek named Bob

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172. the quick version

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:03 PM

Dec 2012

All of your conversations with TeamsterDem can serve as your implied rhetoric, including that of Bettyellen. Unless you use a qualifier, a term implies a general case. That's how English works. To state otherwise suggest a certain passive-aggressiveness on your part. Your shift from your general case, to then later state that SOME men should take a class. If you are now going to now restrict this class to only SOME men, what is your selection criteria? Who are you to accuse someone of a pre-crime? Quite frankly, I'd sue a school for defamation of character, should they try that.

and your responses of "Patriarchy was conquered" and "terror-filled" conforms ringingly with the Sokal-humanities debates of the 90's. (The "patriarchy was conquered" pretty much gives away the entire subtext of your argument. You are looking to win some goal, instead of fixing a problem.)

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Rape more Common than Smoking in the US [View all] Tsiyu Dec 2012 OP

K&R silverweb Dec 2012 #1

Right but one-in-sixteen college men is just an irredeemable sicko. antigone382 Dec 2012 #2

+ a bajillion Tsiyu Dec 2012 #4

i have one reply for anyone who complains this topic hurts their feelings. bettyellen Dec 2012 #6

You don't care about their feelings? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #8

Nope. I caught a big case of outrage fatigue, and I don't plan to get over it. bettyellen Dec 2012 #12

I'm right there with you truthfully Tsiyu Dec 2012 #14

Now that made me tear up. I appreciate this thread. freshwest Dec 2012 #28

It's a sad time here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #50

I think finding all these bizarre responses and thucythucy Dec 2012 #56

Your words mean so much Tsiyu Dec 2012 #63

Yes, '...into this feeling that I really don't know who to trust... there is no true safe place..' freshwest Dec 2012 #69

You are so not alone Tsiyu Dec 2012 #97

I can vouch for that, because I was one of the lurkers yesterday. Raksha Dec 2012 #250

Hey, all the anger you got is welcome here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #259

As a two-time attempted-rape survivor, I agree w you completely. And it hurts me to still see Nay Dec 2012 #149

That's what's so cruel about these handful of cretins Tsiyu Dec 2012 #261

i'm trying, really hard. Thanks so much. freshwest Dec 2012 #73

I always love your posts wherever I see them Tsiyu Dec 2012 #96

The worst perpetrators of this insoucience need to "man up." I mean, really. CTyankee Dec 2012 #108

This Tsiyu Dec 2012 #148

Thanks. I am too damn old to put up with this nonsense. CTyankee Dec 2012 #151

Thank you, CTyankee...much appreciated. Raksha Dec 2012 #287

I feel so sorry in a way for these sexist guys who just can't get past it. It is so easy for CTyankee Dec 2012 #292

Congrats on the new grandchild Tsiyu Dec 2012 #320

Thanks. I am pretty much blessed or at least I feel that way. CTyankee Dec 2012 #332

Right there with you. MadrasT Dec 2012 #15

a few men want to steer the conversation EXCLUSIVELY to be about their hurt feelings. NEVER AGAIN. bettyellen Dec 2012 #16

hurt feelings vs. altered life after surviving a rape... salin Dec 2012 #72

After giving a few here the benefit of the doubt, I see thread jacking and making it all about them bettyellen Dec 2012 #77

We can hope, but I doubt it'll ever be. KitSileya Dec 2012 #104

That's the hard truth here. What amazed me about one of the recent "hurt feelings" CTyankee Dec 2012 #120

it's too common the guy makes it about his feelings - refusing to support the woman involved bettyellen Dec 2012 #134

Ignore that PM Tsiyu Dec 2012 #156

You have NO idea how those words "I don't care" lifted my heart when I read them. Raksha Dec 2012 #244

Thank you. The issue and our experiences trump the "hurt" of those who obviously don't care about us bettyellen Dec 2012 #248

Thanks for the link. It's a very long thread and I didn't read all the posts, Raksha Dec 2012 #280

"that feeling THREATENED AND UNSAFE is apparently okay since you dudes feel. . .defensive? " Yep... bettyellen Dec 2012 #281

Here's the part of that rant I can really relate to: Raksha Dec 2012 #297

I just want to encourage you to keep writing here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #321

it takes some serious entitlement to insist we walk on eggshells,and I am NOT enabling that attitude bettyellen Dec 2012 #331

The sad part is these people are uninterested in the facts and statistics you present. antigone382 Dec 2012 #32

and they can go on to the pity party their friends are throwing elsewhere on DU but after this week bettyellen Dec 2012 #49

Where this issue is concerned, some Male Duers Tsiyu Dec 2012 #52

Excellent post! I might steal it someday! boston bean Dec 2012 #240

Come on, where are all the people Tsiyu Dec 2012 #3

They won't respond here but DURHAM D Dec 2012 #7

But, but, but Tsiyu Dec 2012 #10

don't forget to add this one: Whisp Dec 2012 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author DURHAM D Dec 2012 #18

almost 30% under eleven years of age, horrible. education needs to start early for girls and boys bettyellen Dec 2012 #5

I know Tsiyu Dec 2012 #11

This is a wake up call for many men on DU, sad to say. But it is true. CTyankee Dec 2012 #9

Damn but you actually made me tear up here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #13

"Give up the defensiveness. Understand the problem." ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #20

Crossposted from another thread: with edits Tsiyu Dec 2012 #21

I agree that all sexual violence should be stopped ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #23

Oh yes Tsiyu Dec 2012 #24

I agree. I'm really shocked at that military number - 46%. One thing is . . . ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #26

It's really no more than a lazy cop-out Tsiyu Dec 2012 #66

Sexual violence is a human rights epidemic worldwide. One reason it's not considered as such ... ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #19

So true Tsiyu Dec 2012 #22

They're not seeing the whole picture ie: victims of their own gender ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #25

How can anyone be that cold-hearted toward their fellow humans? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #30

"Rape is everyone's problem" ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #126

Yup. LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #343

So taxing tobacco certainly worked NoOneMan Dec 2012 #27

yeah mercuryblues Dec 2012 #64

Thanks mercuryblues Tsiyu Dec 2012 #68

more like mercuryblues Dec 2012 #74

With all due respect, NoOneMan Dec 2012 #101

Oh my what would I have done without your manly, patronizing Tsiyu Dec 2012 #102

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OMG! Are you serious? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #111

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The only toxic legacy here... Is the one you'll leave after being tombstoned. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #115

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The purpose of this thread is to reach such ignorant minds as yours Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #117

Thanks for holding down the fort Tsiyu Dec 2012 #146

Oh, I know, I know, it's your party and you'll cry if you want to... CTyankee Dec 2012 #124

Ooo, you got robes in the closet, too? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #144

Gooody gooody! Such fun when I've been away a bit! Tsiyu Dec 2012 #139

This is probably the best post ever on DU. antigone382 Dec 2012 #152

Thank you! Tsiyu Dec 2012 #159

I'm impressed lunatica Dec 2012 #252

Thanks lunatica Tsiyu Dec 2012 #258

"The less you care about a sexist narcissists' feelings,the more the Goddess grows in the firmament" redqueen Dec 2012 #269

Gotta give the Goddess her props Tsiyu Dec 2012 #277

Oh you're darn tootin I can believe it... redqueen Dec 2012 #278

I will definitely check it out Tsiyu Dec 2012 #285

I hope to see many more of your excellent smackdowns in the future here. redqueen Dec 2012 #288

I got schooled two years Tsiyu Dec 2012 #322

This post... Oilwellian Dec 2012 #340

A disciple of Daniel Amneus. musette_sf Dec 2012 #157

Ouch gollygee Dec 2012 #170

Righteous! ^5! n/t Helen Reddy Dec 2012 #142

See # 139 Tsiyu Dec 2012 #147

alcohol? Deep13 Dec 2012 #237

I was told today that my viewpoint re rape discussion was tantamount to an experiment Melinda Dec 2012 #29

Oh, I've stayed far away from Meta Tsiyu Dec 2012 #37

It's not that I wanted Nashville to stay - on a personal level he provoked a visceral reaction... Melinda Dec 2012 #44

Hey Melinda Tsiyu Dec 2012 #76

over teh years here, what i really learned, we all uniquely handle this experience. our way. and seabeyond Dec 2012 #40

I read your pain, redqueen's pain, others pain on that thread, sea... I hadn't posted, was... Melinda Dec 2012 #47

you know. seabeyond Dec 2012 #55

The decent men, which most are... StarryNite Dec 2012 #31

I had a friend who was raped. The Doctor. Dec 2012 #35

Well, I applaud your defense of your friend Tsiyu Dec 2012 #39

Good for you! StarryNite Dec 2012 #43

great, lets all send assassins in after we are raped, because that helps you feel better about it! bettyellen Dec 2012 #46

I do have to ask how this cool story is more credible than the statistics in the OP. n/t antigone382 Dec 2012 #51

I dont find it credible, practical or laudable in any way. Street justice is the answer? bettyellen Dec 2012 #78

I'm amazed his alleged "friend" didn't accuse him of being a rapist Tsiyu Dec 2012 #98

BRAVO! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #65

Well then, guess we don't need an open discussion of rape Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #112

many rape victim do not report out of fear the men they love will go to jail for doing something bettyellen Dec 2012 #143

After having femrap Dec 2012 #33

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A lot of these statistics are from Government funded studies. antigone382 Dec 2012 #38

We don't care enough about your hurt feelings to derail this conversation. Go start your own pity bettyellen Dec 2012 #42

Okay I'm going to get profound here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #45

did anyone say all men DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #59

"Bullshit stats?" thucythucy Dec 2012 #62

I love you, woman Tsiyu Dec 2012 #41

I love femrap Dec 2012 #53

He Did have one post hidden - for being a homophobe I guess Tsiyu Dec 2012 #58

I appreciate and love you, your mares and femrap, too. Thanks. freshwest Dec 2012 #79

This calls for a grouphug Tsiyu Dec 2012 #87

Perfect! Right back at you! freshwest Dec 2012 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Dec 2012 #80

"May the patriarchy suffer while it dies." CrispyQ Dec 2012 #138

Great post.... femrap Dec 2012 #153

I hope you're right about it being the patriarchy's last breath. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #341

Awesome Post CrispyQ Tsiyu Dec 2012 #154

"May the patriarchy suffer while it dies." redqueen Dec 2012 #272

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It should be us against them... StarryNite Dec 2012 #48

Hear hear! ( or here here, can never remember ) Tsiyu Dec 2012 #82

Thank you StarryNite Dec 2012 #103

What I do not understand is why any man who is not a rapist UtahLib Dec 2012 #54

or... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #61

we don't care about your feelings about what you imagine is implied. Not enough to get OT for. bettyellen Dec 2012 #70

someone asked why some men a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #121

dozens of men come to these threads, only wanting to talk about their feelings bettyellen Dec 2012 #127

O-kay then... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #129

Oh Bob- was this ever NOT ABOUT YOU in your mind? Because I'm not hear to make you feel better bettyellen Dec 2012 #135

so... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #136

To you- Not putting YOUR feelings FIRST is ATTACKING? Don't you see how screwed up that is? G'Bye. bettyellen Dec 2012 #140

right... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #141

Bob, when someone is trying to discuss an issue important to THEM, why is your first reaction about bettyellen Dec 2012 #145

sigh... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #150

Rape is more common than Smoking in the US Bob, how do you feel about that? bettyellen Dec 2012 #155

If true, I think that's horrific... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #160

Bob, the horrible thing ARE happening- tks for confirming you offer no support, just criticism, bettyellen Dec 2012 #161

Like I said... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #165

It's cute how you're suggesting "fun" man friendly slogans so I don't alienate the "target" ... bettyellen Dec 2012 #168

you miss the point...again... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #173

I don't have to soften my message for real men, Bob, just for the ones like you who demand pity. bettyellen Dec 2012 #182

May I suggest that you're projecting a tad... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #186

We tell people not to drive drunk thucythucy Dec 2012 #231

so we are playing one ugly-ship? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #242

Ah me, where to begin? thucythucy Dec 2012 #342

Awww let me get out my violin Tsiyu Dec 2012 #162

STRUCTURE TRANSLATION a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #167

Translation? Bob: "Boo hoo, I don't like what this implies about men in general" Me: "Tough shit" bettyellen Dec 2012 #171

no... I won't help with with that last nail, bettyellen-christ... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #174

you deny anything can be done, and toss out helpful slogan rewrites to appeal to men... bettyellen Dec 2012 #179

A male poster above made the patriarchy comment Tsiyu Dec 2012 #177

Yeah, offering to rewirte the poster or snippy new slogans...all while giving the stats the fish eye bettyellen Dec 2012 #180

and there it is... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #183

Ha ha, asking you to support advocacy usurps your civil rights now, does it? Hilarious stuff. bettyellen Dec 2012 #185

yup... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #192

Witch hunt....really? Jeez Louise Tsiyu Dec 2012 #187

but he offered tips on how to appeal to men! LOL. bettyellen Dec 2012 #190

Pretty amazing Tsiyu Dec 2012 #193

being told you "should" take an extra class is hardly a small insult... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #195

Wow, Bob. You still think this is all about YOU, huh? Pegged you right from the first post. bettyellen Dec 2012 #198

As I pegged you, dear... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #202

Again, supporting advocacy has NADA to do with these paranoid fantasies of yours. bettyellen Dec 2012 #207

oh good... some pity by a person who can't argue her point. a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #214

Poor wounded you. It's totally about you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #206

Schopenhauer's argument style number 8 (I believe) a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #212

Has congress introduced a bill or something? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #215

seriously unhinged selfish shit. Is this Libertarian Underground where education = poison? LOL bettyellen Dec 2012 #217

no... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #221

calm down Bob, most here think education is a good thing. bettyellen Dec 2012 #225

Getting an education is great, I recommend it a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #227

Once again, Bob Tsiyu Dec 2012 #228

Necessity... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #232

yup... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #220

No, shame on you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #234

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10021911263#post11 a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #243

So UtahLib Dec 2012 #75

Thank you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #84

I was pointing out what looked like the makings of a witch hunt... n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #122

You have destroyed your own arguments here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #166

the quick version a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #172

Like I said Tsiyu Dec 2012 #176

Here we Go... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #178

So why not just admit you believe all your fellow men are too stupid Tsiyu Dec 2012 #181

And here we go... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #184

I'm collecting golden tampon points Tsiyu Dec 2012 #189

okay... I have no idea what you mean by a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #199

You never answered my questions Tsiyu Dec 2012 #203

yup... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #211

I think it's lack of concern for anything but their own primitive feelings on the issue bettyellen Dec 2012 #196

I think there is a lot of "small mind" syndrome going on Tsiyu Dec 2012 #210

Those straw men are HUGE Tsiyu Dec 2012 #83

The problem is the average woman on the street... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #268

Actually, there's a fair bit of research on "warning sign" behavior... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #276

I haven't been able to figure that out, either Scootaloo Dec 2012 #204

It is puzzling, isn't it? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #213

I'm thinking that it may just be a perpetuation of our culture's standards Scootaloo Dec 2012 #295

Rugged Individualism Tsiyu Dec 2012 #300

Thank you UtahLib Dec 2012 #335

Thank you! K&R!!!!! boston bean Dec 2012 #57

Thank you, bb Tsiyu Dec 2012 #85

The Obama administration changes were unable to stop a CT court from setting a rapist free, see: freshwest Dec 2012 #60

That is pathetic Tsiyu Dec 2012 #86

Sorry. I just meant to show how it is. I've known a lot of CP kids and have friend whose daughter is freshwest Dec 2012 #92

What a mental torture that is Tsiyu Dec 2012 #95

K&R!!!!!!!!!! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #67

Thank Odin Tsiyu Dec 2012 #90

And the Repukes do nothing...excerpt from my post sheshe2 Dec 2012 #71

Republicans want to reword the Violence Against Women Act Tsiyu Dec 2012 #91

Since culture, including "rape culture" is created equally by women... Bonobo Dec 2012 #81

Sure, to the same extent that other oppressed groups create the culture that oppresses them. antigone382 Dec 2012 #88

Privilege Sparta09 Dec 2012 #107

"The reality is that women have always been the privileged class"--WHAT??!!? raccoon Dec 2012 #109

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You should peddle this bullshit on FR /Jury results Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #113

ROFL bettyellen Dec 2012 #130

Interesting thing about the "expendability" of men in warfare... antigone382 Dec 2012 #158

+10000000 Tsiyu Dec 2012 #163

Poor dude, now if you'll excuse me, antigone382 Dec 2012 #164

ROFL Tsiyu Dec 2012 #169

I don't think ANY social scientists would say women are nearly as influential, but that said.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #89

It's a fight we all must join Tsiyu Dec 2012 #94

k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #99

The crazy thing is, it's only a small percentage of men Tsiyu Dec 2012 #100

Yes, it's a larger percentage protecting them, protecting the system. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #125

Here is how *DOZENS OF WOMEN* say they've seen exactly that bettyellen Dec 2012 #128

Oh holy crap, yes. That brings back memories. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #133

interesting comments- guys complaining they can't support because women didn't complain about it bettyellen Dec 2012 #137

I get the same tired shit from my "progressive" boyfriend. MadrasT Dec 2012 #305

See post #255 Tsiyu Dec 2012 #323

Wow. And these are guys who THINK they are being supportive! My favorite cousin blew me off years bettyellen Dec 2012 #330

K & R. tilsammans Dec 2012 #105

Some men in this thread belong on FR Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #118

I appreciate your comments Tsiyu Dec 2012 #247

Thanks for posting the stats marions ghost Dec 2012 #119

You're welcome and so, so spot on Tsiyu Dec 2012 #275

My wife tells me she read somewhere that on average 3 women per day coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #123

Thanks for this post. redqueen Dec 2012 #131

When I was a younger women Tsiyu Dec 2012 #241

It deeply saddens me that thirty years later... salin Dec 2012 #132

Thank you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #245

This is an important discussion salin Dec 2012 #289

I think all of these threads Tsiyu Dec 2012 #319

only a single survivor speaking here. salin Dec 2012 #324

Thank you for your honesty Tsiyu Dec 2012 #328

(Tsiyu) your thread didn't set the triggers. salin Dec 2012 #334

How can you even hurt my feelings? Evoman Dec 2012 #175

Thank you for not putting your ego first, Evo. That we should be soothing egos before we're allowed bettyellen Dec 2012 #188

Thank you so much for this post Tsiyu Dec 2012 #191

Thank you. redqueen Dec 2012 #201

Thank you. Great post. n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #224

Hey Tsiyu, I realize that the title is not yours but rock Dec 2012 #194

hey Rock- it;s the title of an article that explains it, third paragraph..... bettyellen Dec 2012 #197

Then let me try to parrot it back rock Dec 2012 #216

Sorry I posted that wrong MY BAD Tsiyu Dec 2012 #222

yes, 25% is actually a low ball estimate. estimates on rapist are 4-8% of the population, so.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #223

Um...click on the link in the OP Tsiyu Dec 2012 #200

below here someone thinks its cigarettes, not smokers, LOL. No one reads, but they comment anyway. bettyellen Dec 2012 #209

Got it rock Dec 2012 #218

Well, we have to do something dramatic Tsiyu Dec 2012 #226

yeah naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #205

so you'd prefer to post ignorant anecdotal stuff instead of reading the article, GEE THANKS! bettyellen Dec 2012 #208

It's called responding to a sensationalist headline with absurdity. nt. naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #230

um, you read smoker and thought it said cigarette, and think it's clever? Because you read wrong? bettyellen Dec 2012 #249

I didn't read anything wrong naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #254

smoking is something some people do 1-2X a week, some 60X a day. It was smokers, not cigarettes bettyellen Dec 2012 #262

by any standard naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #265

Sad that one of those 30% of under 11 year olds is probably someone you know. bettyellen Dec 2012 #270

what are you talking about naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #282

I'm beginning to believe that there is a set process for this kind of thing... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #273

or naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #283

and then they repeat the last completed step, and continue... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #293

Please post a link where someone on DU Tsiyu Dec 2012 #296

gee... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #301

I might believe they are a necessity Tsiyu Dec 2012 #306

I see... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #309

Bob, you are the contortionist Tsiyu Dec 2012 #311

Once again, I learn a few new things about this culture... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #313

I'm a pot icon Tsiyu Dec 2012 #314

Interesting... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #326

Oh, I think you've felt deified for a long time Tsiyu Dec 2012 #327

your preconceptions are showing... n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #337

well it always was about your ego, but don't flatter yourself for initiating anything bettyellen Dec 2012 #333

and the chip on your shoulder is HUGE a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #338

If I thought you were pro-rape, Tsiyu Dec 2012 #294

PLease provide a link where any poster said Tsiyu Dec 2012 #290

Wow Tsiyu Dec 2012 #219

It's called responding to a sensationalist headline with absurdity. nt. naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #229

Yes, because it's far more fun to distract from the issue Tsiyu Dec 2012 #235

you distracted from the issue, not me naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #239

Okay, but I can't claim I wrote it Tsiyu Dec 2012 #255

It's also called trivializing the larger issue at hand... LanternWaste Dec 2012 #284

yes naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #286

Aaah, once again we have offended a man's delicate sensibilities it seems Tsiyu Dec 2012 #298

what are you talking about? naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #299

Don't be obtuse Tsiyu Dec 2012 #304

im not naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #307

Ah, but you had time to post criticism for the 4th or 5th time Tsiyu Dec 2012 #308

yes naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #315

I think you were the one on attack Tsiyu Dec 2012 #316

??!!??!! Deep13 Dec 2012 #233

I know. Tsiyu Dec 2012 #236

Why are we such a sociopath society? nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #238

We're better than some societies - at least rape is illegal Tsiyu Dec 2012 #256

OMG, I've been reading through this thread and had to stop to post! boston bean Dec 2012 #246

We will slog through it Tsiyu Dec 2012 #251

I'm both surprised Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #253

At least one person mentioned it obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #260

What I found surprising Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #263

I think it's because most of us expected it obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #274

Yes, a touch under 10% Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #303

I mentioned the under 11 is almost 30% about 3-4 times. No one responded. bettyellen Dec 2012 #266

Thanks for letting me know. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #279

bettyellen did post about 31% or so under ELEVEN Tsiyu Dec 2012 #267

no one is reading the article. most of Burch's thread is men in denial... or bettyellen Dec 2012 #271

Start with the children, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #291

and your post is largely a black or white fallacy a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #302

Please post a link where I called you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #317

They pobaby think the young women were asking for it! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #312

Sadly, a lot of them do Tsiyu Dec 2012 #318

This thread is really exposing who the assholes are! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #257

I've been added to about 5 ignore lists this weekend! bettyellen Dec 2012 #264

You are fighting the good fight. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #310

You've also been added TDale313 Dec 2012 #325

Thank you- I've had many more kind messages than the few nasty ones. I've gotten a lot of amazing bettyellen Dec 2012 #328

Sickening, just sickening!!!!!!!!!! Beacool Dec 2012 #336

Recommended. Heidi Dec 2012 #339