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Smarmie Doofus

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115. The old GOP was WAY to the left of where the RW of the DEM party is now.

Reply to coalition_unwilling (Reply #90)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:30 PM

Dec 2012

Can you imagine Obama saying something like ( or even *quoting* ) what Eisenhower said in 1960 re. the "military-industrial-congressional ( "congressional" was in the original text; he should have left it in, obviously) complex"?

It's inconceivable. The reality is, he'd be describing himself.

As a party we DEMs still claim to champion labor. But where did that 1 billion dollars come from that just paid for the president's campaign ? It didn't come primarily from working people, I can assure you. And since it mostly came from corporate interests it's less "contribution" than "investment".

Money expects, and *gets* a return on its investments. That's how it got to be "money".

re. History: the under 50s think of "impeachment" as a circus having something to do w. a semen stained dress. Need I say more? It's a different mentality altogether.

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The Humiliation of Bradley Manning. Had he only checked first to see if he meet with Whistleblower [View all] midnight Nov 2012 OP

K&R Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #1

A lesson I learned early in life, is if you are going to report the boss for breaking the rules Cleita Nov 2012 #2

He was prepared, and he said so. Which is what makes him all the more of a hero. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #8

I think his idea of prison was different than what he got. Cleita Nov 2012 #10

I think that is part of US strategy. And it is shameful. We used to attack dictatorships for sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #19

I agree... Rockyj Nov 2012 #45

Daniel Ellsberg backs Manning and that's good enough for me and should be good coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #47

What a great reminder and example of why this treatment of Manning is very concerning... midnight Nov 2012 #60

At some point in time, the Nixon wing of the GOP was absorbed by the.... Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #75

My wife frequently argues that Obama's policies are to the right coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #90

The old GOP was WAY to the left of where the RW of the DEM party is now. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #115

I mark the end of the Dem Party I know and love to Clinton's embrace of coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #117

Screw Bradley Manning. Marinedem Nov 2012 #3

I remember DU. Gregorian Nov 2012 #4

Gregorian even though the popularity of human rights is not a hot ticket item... I can't wonder how midnight Nov 2012 #6

Yes, human rights thinking seem to be in short supply Cleita Nov 2012 #12

This is interesting.... I thought we brought the German Scientist here to help our industries... midnight Nov 2012 #22

Apples and Oranges. We didn't bring them here. The scientists were a different Cleita Nov 2012 #29

What a terrible fate... My uncle never came home from war. midnight Nov 2012 #62

I 'm sorry. Cleita Nov 2012 #63

Me too..... midnight Dec 2012 #67

"I wonder if the Russians of WWII would have even been okay with what we have done..." EX500rider Nov 2012 #56

I know about that and probably it was Cleita Nov 2012 #57

Putting those stats in perspective (and not excusing war crimes): the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #109

Oh I agree there... EX500rider Dec 2012 #110

Yeah, again, I'm not excusing war crimes no matter who commits them. But it was not coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #113

I stand with Gen. Smedley Butler. And from the very beginning, these were wars of aggression. Gregorian Nov 2012 #32

Some of us, like myself, have a serious problem with his treatment. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #9

I don't think this is all about Manning. This is about war crimes. Gregorian Nov 2012 #37

Exactly. Your post says it all. It's not about Manning LittleGirl Nov 2012 #41

There was one video of a questionably legal air strike. Recursion Dec 2012 #83

Show me the war crime directly linked to Manning. Yes I saw those videos. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #88

^^^ That. We don't know what Manning did and didn't leak Recursion Dec 2012 #95

You're right. I am grouping it all in with Wikileaks. Gregorian Dec 2012 #111

Agree with everything in your post. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #118

Why? For exposing War Crimes? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #61

We don't know what he did and didn't leak, or why Recursion Dec 2012 #78

Yet his attorneys are preparing to plead guilty to some of the charges. randome Dec 2012 #85

Specifically, we don't know about the Guantanamo leaks, and they're different Recursion Dec 2012 #86

Yes we do, because he himself spoke about what he leaked before he was sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #112

He had no clue what was in the information released. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #87

Since you never spoke with Bradely Manning... I can assume that you have nothing to lose by midnight Nov 2012 #5

Strange that you haven't chided anybody else in this thread for putting words mythology Nov 2012 #65

Usually I only have to question the intentions of another person's words when they dismiss midnight Dec 2012 #66

And you couldn't be more wrong. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #11

yeah, it's not like he wouldn't lie to make himself look good. And it's very easy to oppose torture KittyWampus Nov 2012 #21

So exactly how is someone supposed to oppose torture? reusrename Dec 2012 #92

I think this is an awaking for many of us who thought our govt. didn't torture... But now that midnight Nov 2012 #24

I get it, those that do morally reprehensible things should never be "narced on" by a fellow uniform Dragonfli Nov 2012 #17

Whatever. Marinedem Nov 2012 #25

Not projection, I just know how certain types think and what they say when they are home and drunk Dragonfli Nov 2012 #35

Yeah, if he had just helped cover it up, like Colin Powell and My Lai Fuddnik Nov 2012 #55

How many classified documents have you actually read? Recursion Dec 2012 #98

Let's assume that everything you said is true. spooky3 Nov 2012 #28

That's a whole 'nuther kettle of fish Marinedem Nov 2012 #34

I don't think it is separate--it's all part of the same complex situation. spooky3 Nov 2012 #38

I agree. His release was more tantrum than whistle blowing, regardless pnwmom Nov 2012 #31

Marinedem, That's the line directly from the propaganda machine. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2012 #33

Well... Marinedem Nov 2012 #36

blah blah blah blah femrap Nov 2012 #42

Woops! Here come the MIC apologists! loudsue Nov 2012 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #53

Some were nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #54

Manning revealed the commission of war crimes that were not being prosecuted or coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #48

What are you thinking of? He never claimed credit for the Gitmo leaks even to Lamo Recursion Dec 2012 #79

I was thinking specifically of the footage of the helicopter pilot. I'm not an expert coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #91

I don't argue by credential Recursion Dec 2012 #93

I try not to argue by credential either, but life is short and there's more than coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #96

I haven't heard a "word of the political establishment" Recursion Dec 2012 #97

Just as Nixon's goombahs hoped to use Ellsberg as a demonstration project to any other coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #99

I'm still missing what "crimes and perfidies" he exposed Recursion Dec 2012 #100

Helicopter pilot firing on unarmed civilians. Q.E.D. Now go fight with others on coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #101

I saw a video of a helicopter firing at armed people Recursion Dec 2012 #105

Google is your friend: coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #107

I am so glad we have you to set us straight. You seem to know his intentions. Which of rhett o rick Nov 2012 #50

Damn, I guess Daniel Elsberg should have been shot nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #52

Thank you for reminding us about the pre-trial punishment being against UCMJ. midnight Dec 2012 #70

I know nothing about the man... but... sibelian Dec 2012 #71

There are people here who will challenge your progressive bona fides for stating the obvious. MADem Dec 2012 #104

That's the biggest piece of shit I've read today on DU... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #116

Kinda like going to the bank robbers to get an OK to inform on them. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #7

Very good way of putting it. Cleita Nov 2012 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #20

K&R! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #14

When I read your title, this was the man who came to my mind... midnight Nov 2012 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #26

Joseph Darby comes to mind (the soldier who blew the early whistle on Abu Ghraib). Then coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #51

I wonder if he was responsible for Colonel Ann Wright's inspection and later midnight Nov 2012 #64

K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #15

If it was up to me everyone who participated in torture or approved it... white_wolf Nov 2012 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #30

I agree, but the guy who wrote the memo is teaching our new batch of law students... midnight Nov 2012 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #40

I know right? Absolutely nuts... midnight Dec 2012 #69

So you're assuming Manning did the Gitmo leak, too? Recursion Dec 2012 #80

Manning now joins the ranks of those who have done their nation a great service - truedelphi Nov 2012 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #44

The 'careerists commissioned officers' = REMFs :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #106

I had not heard of Hugh Thompson until about a year ago on DU. Funny how real heroes sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #59

I forgot about Thompson. Thanks. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #114

K&R blackspade Nov 2012 #43

I and others who have followed Manning's case closely are grateful for his heroism, snot Nov 2012 #58

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #68

I guess I'm confused.. Mangoman Dec 2012 #72

Collateral murder video. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #74

I never got this one... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #77

yeah I don't think most know.. EX500rider Dec 2012 #108

I got the impression.. Mangoman Dec 2012 #84

I'm pretty sure he saw it before and discussed it w. Adrian Lamo. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #89

I think a lot of what one thinks depends on how much one trusts Lamo Recursion Dec 2012 #94

It's mostly myth. We don't know what he leaked Recursion Dec 2012 #81

i suppose you were all over Scooter Libby as a traitor RomneyLies Dec 2012 #73

It seems the most serious crime of all is exposing the second most serious crime of all Coyotl Dec 2012 #76

What crime are you saying he exposed? Recursion Dec 2012 #82

Before we answer for Operation Shocking and Awful, there is the little matter of coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #103

Why is that unreasonable? treestar Dec 2012 #102