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Tsiyu

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256. We're better than some societies - at least rape is illegal

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:31 PM

Dec 2012

( unless the Republican Congress gets their way, but I digress )

I suppose human nature is human nature. There will always be human beings who exploit and terrorize and rape other human beings. ( that's why we have the Republican party, but, again, I digress ) It gives them a sense of power, or they are acting out their own victimization.

The fact is that most of these rapes are committed by a very very small percentage of men, so that's a good thing.

The world is full of evil, but we can and shall fight that evil.

That's what these threads are about. The statistics are painful to read, but when we shine the light on the reality of our culture that enables these rapes to occur, we are on the road to making rape as rare as the dinosaurs.

I do ask myself your question often, though: why?

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Rape more Common than Smoking in the US [View all] Tsiyu Dec 2012 OP

K&R silverweb Dec 2012 #1

Right but one-in-sixteen college men is just an irredeemable sicko. antigone382 Dec 2012 #2

+ a bajillion Tsiyu Dec 2012 #4

i have one reply for anyone who complains this topic hurts their feelings. bettyellen Dec 2012 #6

You don't care about their feelings? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #8

Nope. I caught a big case of outrage fatigue, and I don't plan to get over it. bettyellen Dec 2012 #12

I'm right there with you truthfully Tsiyu Dec 2012 #14

Now that made me tear up. I appreciate this thread. freshwest Dec 2012 #28

It's a sad time here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #50

I think finding all these bizarre responses and thucythucy Dec 2012 #56

Your words mean so much Tsiyu Dec 2012 #63

Yes, '...into this feeling that I really don't know who to trust... there is no true safe place..' freshwest Dec 2012 #69

You are so not alone Tsiyu Dec 2012 #97

I can vouch for that, because I was one of the lurkers yesterday. Raksha Dec 2012 #250

Hey, all the anger you got is welcome here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #259

As a two-time attempted-rape survivor, I agree w you completely. And it hurts me to still see Nay Dec 2012 #149

That's what's so cruel about these handful of cretins Tsiyu Dec 2012 #261

i'm trying, really hard. Thanks so much. freshwest Dec 2012 #73

I always love your posts wherever I see them Tsiyu Dec 2012 #96

The worst perpetrators of this insoucience need to "man up." I mean, really. CTyankee Dec 2012 #108

This Tsiyu Dec 2012 #148

Thanks. I am too damn old to put up with this nonsense. CTyankee Dec 2012 #151

Thank you, CTyankee...much appreciated. Raksha Dec 2012 #287

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Congrats on the new grandchild Tsiyu Dec 2012 #320

Thanks. I am pretty much blessed or at least I feel that way. CTyankee Dec 2012 #332

Right there with you. MadrasT Dec 2012 #15

a few men want to steer the conversation EXCLUSIVELY to be about their hurt feelings. NEVER AGAIN. bettyellen Dec 2012 #16

hurt feelings vs. altered life after surviving a rape... salin Dec 2012 #72

After giving a few here the benefit of the doubt, I see thread jacking and making it all about them bettyellen Dec 2012 #77

We can hope, but I doubt it'll ever be. KitSileya Dec 2012 #104

That's the hard truth here. What amazed me about one of the recent "hurt feelings" CTyankee Dec 2012 #120

it's too common the guy makes it about his feelings - refusing to support the woman involved bettyellen Dec 2012 #134

Ignore that PM Tsiyu Dec 2012 #156

You have NO idea how those words "I don't care" lifted my heart when I read them. Raksha Dec 2012 #244

Thank you. The issue and our experiences trump the "hurt" of those who obviously don't care about us bettyellen Dec 2012 #248

Thanks for the link. It's a very long thread and I didn't read all the posts, Raksha Dec 2012 #280

"that feeling THREATENED AND UNSAFE is apparently okay since you dudes feel. . .defensive? " Yep... bettyellen Dec 2012 #281

Here's the part of that rant I can really relate to: Raksha Dec 2012 #297

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it takes some serious entitlement to insist we walk on eggshells,and I am NOT enabling that attitude bettyellen Dec 2012 #331

The sad part is these people are uninterested in the facts and statistics you present. antigone382 Dec 2012 #32

and they can go on to the pity party their friends are throwing elsewhere on DU but after this week bettyellen Dec 2012 #49

Where this issue is concerned, some Male Duers Tsiyu Dec 2012 #52

Excellent post! I might steal it someday! boston bean Dec 2012 #240

Come on, where are all the people Tsiyu Dec 2012 #3

They won't respond here but DURHAM D Dec 2012 #7

But, but, but Tsiyu Dec 2012 #10

don't forget to add this one: Whisp Dec 2012 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author DURHAM D Dec 2012 #18

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I know Tsiyu Dec 2012 #11

This is a wake up call for many men on DU, sad to say. But it is true. CTyankee Dec 2012 #9

Damn but you actually made me tear up here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #13

"Give up the defensiveness. Understand the problem." ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #20

Crossposted from another thread: with edits Tsiyu Dec 2012 #21

I agree that all sexual violence should be stopped ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #23

Oh yes Tsiyu Dec 2012 #24

I agree. I'm really shocked at that military number - 46%. One thing is . . . ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #26

It's really no more than a lazy cop-out Tsiyu Dec 2012 #66

Sexual violence is a human rights epidemic worldwide. One reason it's not considered as such ... ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #19

So true Tsiyu Dec 2012 #22

They're not seeing the whole picture ie: victims of their own gender ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #25

How can anyone be that cold-hearted toward their fellow humans? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #30

"Rape is everyone's problem" ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #126

Yup. LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #343

So taxing tobacco certainly worked NoOneMan Dec 2012 #27

yeah mercuryblues Dec 2012 #64

Thanks mercuryblues Tsiyu Dec 2012 #68

more like mercuryblues Dec 2012 #74

With all due respect, NoOneMan Dec 2012 #101

Oh my what would I have done without your manly, patronizing Tsiyu Dec 2012 #102

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OMG! Are you serious? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #111

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The only toxic legacy here... Is the one you'll leave after being tombstoned. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #115

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The purpose of this thread is to reach such ignorant minds as yours Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #117

Thanks for holding down the fort Tsiyu Dec 2012 #146

Oh, I know, I know, it's your party and you'll cry if you want to... CTyankee Dec 2012 #124

Ooo, you got robes in the closet, too? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #144

Gooody gooody! Such fun when I've been away a bit! Tsiyu Dec 2012 #139

This is probably the best post ever on DU. antigone382 Dec 2012 #152

Thank you! Tsiyu Dec 2012 #159

I'm impressed lunatica Dec 2012 #252

Thanks lunatica Tsiyu Dec 2012 #258

"The less you care about a sexist narcissists' feelings,the more the Goddess grows in the firmament" redqueen Dec 2012 #269

Gotta give the Goddess her props Tsiyu Dec 2012 #277

Oh you're darn tootin I can believe it... redqueen Dec 2012 #278

I will definitely check it out Tsiyu Dec 2012 #285

I hope to see many more of your excellent smackdowns in the future here. redqueen Dec 2012 #288

I got schooled two years Tsiyu Dec 2012 #322

This post... Oilwellian Dec 2012 #340

A disciple of Daniel Amneus. musette_sf Dec 2012 #157

Ouch gollygee Dec 2012 #170

Righteous! ^5! n/t Helen Reddy Dec 2012 #142

See # 139 Tsiyu Dec 2012 #147

alcohol? Deep13 Dec 2012 #237

I was told today that my viewpoint re rape discussion was tantamount to an experiment Melinda Dec 2012 #29

Oh, I've stayed far away from Meta Tsiyu Dec 2012 #37

It's not that I wanted Nashville to stay - on a personal level he provoked a visceral reaction... Melinda Dec 2012 #44

Hey Melinda Tsiyu Dec 2012 #76

over teh years here, what i really learned, we all uniquely handle this experience. our way. and seabeyond Dec 2012 #40

I read your pain, redqueen's pain, others pain on that thread, sea... I hadn't posted, was... Melinda Dec 2012 #47

you know. seabeyond Dec 2012 #55

The decent men, which most are... StarryNite Dec 2012 #31

I had a friend who was raped. The Doctor. Dec 2012 #35

Well, I applaud your defense of your friend Tsiyu Dec 2012 #39

Good for you! StarryNite Dec 2012 #43

great, lets all send assassins in after we are raped, because that helps you feel better about it! bettyellen Dec 2012 #46

I do have to ask how this cool story is more credible than the statistics in the OP. n/t antigone382 Dec 2012 #51

I dont find it credible, practical or laudable in any way. Street justice is the answer? bettyellen Dec 2012 #78

I'm amazed his alleged "friend" didn't accuse him of being a rapist Tsiyu Dec 2012 #98

BRAVO! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #65

Well then, guess we don't need an open discussion of rape Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #112

many rape victim do not report out of fear the men they love will go to jail for doing something bettyellen Dec 2012 #143

After having femrap Dec 2012 #33

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A lot of these statistics are from Government funded studies. antigone382 Dec 2012 #38

We don't care enough about your hurt feelings to derail this conversation. Go start your own pity bettyellen Dec 2012 #42

Okay I'm going to get profound here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #45

did anyone say all men DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #59

"Bullshit stats?" thucythucy Dec 2012 #62

I love you, woman Tsiyu Dec 2012 #41

I love femrap Dec 2012 #53

He Did have one post hidden - for being a homophobe I guess Tsiyu Dec 2012 #58

I appreciate and love you, your mares and femrap, too. Thanks. freshwest Dec 2012 #79

This calls for a grouphug Tsiyu Dec 2012 #87

Perfect! Right back at you! freshwest Dec 2012 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Dec 2012 #80

"May the patriarchy suffer while it dies." CrispyQ Dec 2012 #138

Great post.... femrap Dec 2012 #153

I hope you're right about it being the patriarchy's last breath. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #341

Awesome Post CrispyQ Tsiyu Dec 2012 #154

"May the patriarchy suffer while it dies." redqueen Dec 2012 #272

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It should be us against them... StarryNite Dec 2012 #48

Hear hear! ( or here here, can never remember ) Tsiyu Dec 2012 #82

Thank you StarryNite Dec 2012 #103

What I do not understand is why any man who is not a rapist UtahLib Dec 2012 #54

or... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #61

we don't care about your feelings about what you imagine is implied. Not enough to get OT for. bettyellen Dec 2012 #70

someone asked why some men a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #121

dozens of men come to these threads, only wanting to talk about their feelings bettyellen Dec 2012 #127

O-kay then... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #129

Oh Bob- was this ever NOT ABOUT YOU in your mind? Because I'm not hear to make you feel better bettyellen Dec 2012 #135

so... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #136

To you- Not putting YOUR feelings FIRST is ATTACKING? Don't you see how screwed up that is? G'Bye. bettyellen Dec 2012 #140

right... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #141

Bob, when someone is trying to discuss an issue important to THEM, why is your first reaction about bettyellen Dec 2012 #145

sigh... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #150

Rape is more common than Smoking in the US Bob, how do you feel about that? bettyellen Dec 2012 #155

If true, I think that's horrific... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #160

Bob, the horrible thing ARE happening- tks for confirming you offer no support, just criticism, bettyellen Dec 2012 #161

Like I said... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #165

It's cute how you're suggesting "fun" man friendly slogans so I don't alienate the "target" ... bettyellen Dec 2012 #168

you miss the point...again... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #173

I don't have to soften my message for real men, Bob, just for the ones like you who demand pity. bettyellen Dec 2012 #182

May I suggest that you're projecting a tad... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #186

We tell people not to drive drunk thucythucy Dec 2012 #231

so we are playing one ugly-ship? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #242

Ah me, where to begin? thucythucy Dec 2012 #342

Awww let me get out my violin Tsiyu Dec 2012 #162

STRUCTURE TRANSLATION a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #167

Translation? Bob: "Boo hoo, I don't like what this implies about men in general" Me: "Tough shit" bettyellen Dec 2012 #171

no... I won't help with with that last nail, bettyellen-christ... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #174

you deny anything can be done, and toss out helpful slogan rewrites to appeal to men... bettyellen Dec 2012 #179

A male poster above made the patriarchy comment Tsiyu Dec 2012 #177

Yeah, offering to rewirte the poster or snippy new slogans...all while giving the stats the fish eye bettyellen Dec 2012 #180

and there it is... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #183

Ha ha, asking you to support advocacy usurps your civil rights now, does it? Hilarious stuff. bettyellen Dec 2012 #185

yup... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #192

Witch hunt....really? Jeez Louise Tsiyu Dec 2012 #187

but he offered tips on how to appeal to men! LOL. bettyellen Dec 2012 #190

Pretty amazing Tsiyu Dec 2012 #193

being told you "should" take an extra class is hardly a small insult... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #195

Wow, Bob. You still think this is all about YOU, huh? Pegged you right from the first post. bettyellen Dec 2012 #198

As I pegged you, dear... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #202

Again, supporting advocacy has NADA to do with these paranoid fantasies of yours. bettyellen Dec 2012 #207

oh good... some pity by a person who can't argue her point. a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #214

Poor wounded you. It's totally about you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #206

Schopenhauer's argument style number 8 (I believe) a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #212

Has congress introduced a bill or something? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #215

seriously unhinged selfish shit. Is this Libertarian Underground where education = poison? LOL bettyellen Dec 2012 #217

no... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #221

calm down Bob, most here think education is a good thing. bettyellen Dec 2012 #225

Getting an education is great, I recommend it a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #227

Once again, Bob Tsiyu Dec 2012 #228

Necessity... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #232

yup... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #220

No, shame on you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #234

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10021911263#post11 a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #243

So UtahLib Dec 2012 #75

Thank you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #84

I was pointing out what looked like the makings of a witch hunt... n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #122

You have destroyed your own arguments here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #166

the quick version a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #172

Like I said Tsiyu Dec 2012 #176

Here we Go... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #178

So why not just admit you believe all your fellow men are too stupid Tsiyu Dec 2012 #181

And here we go... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #184

I'm collecting golden tampon points Tsiyu Dec 2012 #189

okay... I have no idea what you mean by a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #199

You never answered my questions Tsiyu Dec 2012 #203

yup... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #211

I think it's lack of concern for anything but their own primitive feelings on the issue bettyellen Dec 2012 #196

I think there is a lot of "small mind" syndrome going on Tsiyu Dec 2012 #210

Those straw men are HUGE Tsiyu Dec 2012 #83

The problem is the average woman on the street... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #268

Actually, there's a fair bit of research on "warning sign" behavior... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #276

I haven't been able to figure that out, either Scootaloo Dec 2012 #204

It is puzzling, isn't it? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #213

I'm thinking that it may just be a perpetuation of our culture's standards Scootaloo Dec 2012 #295

Rugged Individualism Tsiyu Dec 2012 #300

Thank you UtahLib Dec 2012 #335

Thank you! K&R!!!!! boston bean Dec 2012 #57

Thank you, bb Tsiyu Dec 2012 #85

The Obama administration changes were unable to stop a CT court from setting a rapist free, see: freshwest Dec 2012 #60

That is pathetic Tsiyu Dec 2012 #86

Sorry. I just meant to show how it is. I've known a lot of CP kids and have friend whose daughter is freshwest Dec 2012 #92

What a mental torture that is Tsiyu Dec 2012 #95

K&R!!!!!!!!!! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #67

Thank Odin Tsiyu Dec 2012 #90

And the Repukes do nothing...excerpt from my post sheshe2 Dec 2012 #71

Republicans want to reword the Violence Against Women Act Tsiyu Dec 2012 #91

Since culture, including "rape culture" is created equally by women... Bonobo Dec 2012 #81

Sure, to the same extent that other oppressed groups create the culture that oppresses them. antigone382 Dec 2012 #88

Privilege Sparta09 Dec 2012 #107

"The reality is that women have always been the privileged class"--WHAT??!!? raccoon Dec 2012 #109

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #110

You should peddle this bullshit on FR /Jury results Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #113

ROFL bettyellen Dec 2012 #130

Interesting thing about the "expendability" of men in warfare... antigone382 Dec 2012 #158

+10000000 Tsiyu Dec 2012 #163

Poor dude, now if you'll excuse me, antigone382 Dec 2012 #164

ROFL Tsiyu Dec 2012 #169

I don't think ANY social scientists would say women are nearly as influential, but that said.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #89

It's a fight we all must join Tsiyu Dec 2012 #94

k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #99

The crazy thing is, it's only a small percentage of men Tsiyu Dec 2012 #100

Yes, it's a larger percentage protecting them, protecting the system. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #125

Here is how *DOZENS OF WOMEN* say they've seen exactly that bettyellen Dec 2012 #128

Oh holy crap, yes. That brings back memories. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #133

interesting comments- guys complaining they can't support because women didn't complain about it bettyellen Dec 2012 #137

I get the same tired shit from my "progressive" boyfriend. MadrasT Dec 2012 #305

See post #255 Tsiyu Dec 2012 #323

Wow. And these are guys who THINK they are being supportive! My favorite cousin blew me off years bettyellen Dec 2012 #330

K & R. tilsammans Dec 2012 #105

Some men in this thread belong on FR Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #118

I appreciate your comments Tsiyu Dec 2012 #247

Thanks for posting the stats marions ghost Dec 2012 #119

You're welcome and so, so spot on Tsiyu Dec 2012 #275

My wife tells me she read somewhere that on average 3 women per day coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #123

Thanks for this post. redqueen Dec 2012 #131

When I was a younger women Tsiyu Dec 2012 #241

It deeply saddens me that thirty years later... salin Dec 2012 #132

Thank you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #245

This is an important discussion salin Dec 2012 #289

I think all of these threads Tsiyu Dec 2012 #319

only a single survivor speaking here. salin Dec 2012 #324

Thank you for your honesty Tsiyu Dec 2012 #328

(Tsiyu) your thread didn't set the triggers. salin Dec 2012 #334

How can you even hurt my feelings? Evoman Dec 2012 #175

Thank you for not putting your ego first, Evo. That we should be soothing egos before we're allowed bettyellen Dec 2012 #188

Thank you so much for this post Tsiyu Dec 2012 #191

Thank you. redqueen Dec 2012 #201

Thank you. Great post. n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #224

Hey Tsiyu, I realize that the title is not yours but rock Dec 2012 #194

hey Rock- it;s the title of an article that explains it, third paragraph..... bettyellen Dec 2012 #197

Then let me try to parrot it back rock Dec 2012 #216

Sorry I posted that wrong MY BAD Tsiyu Dec 2012 #222

yes, 25% is actually a low ball estimate. estimates on rapist are 4-8% of the population, so.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #223

Um...click on the link in the OP Tsiyu Dec 2012 #200

below here someone thinks its cigarettes, not smokers, LOL. No one reads, but they comment anyway. bettyellen Dec 2012 #209

Got it rock Dec 2012 #218

Well, we have to do something dramatic Tsiyu Dec 2012 #226

yeah naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #205

so you'd prefer to post ignorant anecdotal stuff instead of reading the article, GEE THANKS! bettyellen Dec 2012 #208

It's called responding to a sensationalist headline with absurdity. nt. naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #230

um, you read smoker and thought it said cigarette, and think it's clever? Because you read wrong? bettyellen Dec 2012 #249

I didn't read anything wrong naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #254

smoking is something some people do 1-2X a week, some 60X a day. It was smokers, not cigarettes bettyellen Dec 2012 #262

by any standard naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #265

Sad that one of those 30% of under 11 year olds is probably someone you know. bettyellen Dec 2012 #270

what are you talking about naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #282

I'm beginning to believe that there is a set process for this kind of thing... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #273

or naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #283

and then they repeat the last completed step, and continue... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #293

Please post a link where someone on DU Tsiyu Dec 2012 #296

gee... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #301

I might believe they are a necessity Tsiyu Dec 2012 #306

I see... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #309

Bob, you are the contortionist Tsiyu Dec 2012 #311

Once again, I learn a few new things about this culture... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #313

I'm a pot icon Tsiyu Dec 2012 #314

Interesting... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #326

Oh, I think you've felt deified for a long time Tsiyu Dec 2012 #327

your preconceptions are showing... n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #337

well it always was about your ego, but don't flatter yourself for initiating anything bettyellen Dec 2012 #333

and the chip on your shoulder is HUGE a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #338

If I thought you were pro-rape, Tsiyu Dec 2012 #294

PLease provide a link where any poster said Tsiyu Dec 2012 #290

Wow Tsiyu Dec 2012 #219

It's called responding to a sensationalist headline with absurdity. nt. naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #229

Yes, because it's far more fun to distract from the issue Tsiyu Dec 2012 #235

you distracted from the issue, not me naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #239

Okay, but I can't claim I wrote it Tsiyu Dec 2012 #255

It's also called trivializing the larger issue at hand... LanternWaste Dec 2012 #284

yes naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #286

Aaah, once again we have offended a man's delicate sensibilities it seems Tsiyu Dec 2012 #298

what are you talking about? naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #299

Don't be obtuse Tsiyu Dec 2012 #304

im not naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #307

Ah, but you had time to post criticism for the 4th or 5th time Tsiyu Dec 2012 #308

yes naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #315

I think you were the one on attack Tsiyu Dec 2012 #316

??!!??!! Deep13 Dec 2012 #233

I know. Tsiyu Dec 2012 #236

Why are we such a sociopath society? nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #238

We're better than some societies - at least rape is illegal Tsiyu Dec 2012 #256

OMG, I've been reading through this thread and had to stop to post! boston bean Dec 2012 #246

We will slog through it Tsiyu Dec 2012 #251

I'm both surprised Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #253

At least one person mentioned it obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #260

What I found surprising Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #263

I think it's because most of us expected it obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #274

Yes, a touch under 10% Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #303

I mentioned the under 11 is almost 30% about 3-4 times. No one responded. bettyellen Dec 2012 #266

Thanks for letting me know. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #279

bettyellen did post about 31% or so under ELEVEN Tsiyu Dec 2012 #267

no one is reading the article. most of Burch's thread is men in denial... or bettyellen Dec 2012 #271

Start with the children, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #291

and your post is largely a black or white fallacy a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #302

Please post a link where I called you Tsiyu Dec 2012 #317

They pobaby think the young women were asking for it! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #312

Sadly, a lot of them do Tsiyu Dec 2012 #318

This thread is really exposing who the assholes are! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #257

I've been added to about 5 ignore lists this weekend! bettyellen Dec 2012 #264

You are fighting the good fight. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #310

You've also been added TDale313 Dec 2012 #325

Thank you- I've had many more kind messages than the few nasty ones. I've gotten a lot of amazing bettyellen Dec 2012 #328

Sickening, just sickening!!!!!!!!!! Beacool Dec 2012 #336

Recommended. Heidi Dec 2012 #339