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Ms. Toad

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58. All of the hard deadlines were dealt with prior to the current kerfluffle.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 08:57 PM
Jul 2024

The laws you are citing are for replacing someone on the ballot (replacement, withdrawn, etc). Not for putting them on the ballot in the first place. Biden is not yet the party's candidate, nor is he on on the ballot anywhere yet. Biden would not be on the ballot in Texas simply because he won the Texas primary. He would be on the ballot in Texas only if he is properly nominated by the Democratic Party - at the convention (or sometime sooner by remote roll call).

Every state I'm aware of (and I've worked in election law in a majority of the states) have separate rules for a federal candidate from a major party. And all of the laws you (and anyone else) have cited deal with rules for replacing a candidate; not for an initial party nomination. If you read the Heritage Foundations language, although it is deliberately intended to be scary, they actually acknowledge that their fear-mongering only applies to replacements. Not to the initial party nominations.

Here is the deadline for the nomination by a major party for its presidential candidate in Texas.


Sec. 192.031. PARTY CANDIDATE'S ENTITLEMENT TO PLACE ON BALLOT. (a) A political party is entitled to have the names of its nominees for president and vice-president of the United States placed on the ballot in a presidential general election if:

. . .

(3) the party's state chair delivers the written certification to the secretary of state before the later of:

(A) 5 p.m. of the 71st day before presidential election day; or

(B) 5 p.m. of the first business day after the date of final adjournment of the party's national presidential nominating convention;


In other words, the party (and its rules) are in charge of who it places on the ballot - as long as it meets the relevant deadlines.

Now, as to changing later - I have not researched those laws, but I suspect that would be more problematic scenario. You may be thinking about that scenario, but the chatter I'm responding to is people who either (1) believe Biden is already on the ballot or (2) believe the rules for changing a candidate apply even before the more specific major party nomination rules require.

All of the deadlines for the getting the Democratic Party candidate on the ballot after the convention were dealt with by June 2, when Dewine signed the Ohio law extending the ballot deadline. Whatever candidate the party nominates at the convention (or before if they hold the remote vote) will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

. . . if the party attempt a change after that, all bets are off.

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they obviously don't think they can win on the issues. got to keep Dems/abortion off the ballot BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2024 #1
Right-Wingers Plan to Make it Difficult for Democrats to Replace Biden LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #2
What coincidence....Actually, a bit ahead of schedule. haele Jul 2024 #3
Yep. It's a trap, and we're walking right into it. shrike3 Jul 2024 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Idaho Jul 2024 #5
+2 Emile Jul 2024 #42
Democrats Might Not Be Able to Replace Joe Biden on Ballot in These States LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #6
Then It's Settled.. PJB is our Guy & Cha Jul 2024 #33
Abbott will write an executive order demanding the use of the word "Elector" in place of a name. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #7
I know Greg and Ken Paxton LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #14
100% absolutely. And will use the term "Democrat Party" in his EO. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #15
The Democrats cannot afford to write off Nevada, Wisconsin and Georgia LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #8
We can't afford to write off any state! LeftInTX Jul 2024 #10
which is why the party will nominate Joe Biden later this month MistakenLamb Jul 2024 #40
But I thought Biden had "weathered the storm" and the GOP and "corporate media" Azathoth Jul 2024 #9
Strategic lawsuits can have ulterior motives LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #11
They should change the GOP mascot to Wile E. Coyote. tanyev Jul 2024 #12
How are any ballots locked in Zeitghost Jul 2024 #13
They will use lawsuits... LeftInTX Jul 2024 #16
The nominee coming out of the convention will be on every ballot in the country Zeitghost Jul 2024 #22
Abbott can write an EO. You don't know the guy. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #24
They can try Zeitghost Jul 2024 #26
Who would stop Abbott??? Name someone or an agency or group LeftInTX Jul 2024 #31
Exactly, Ohio had the furthest up deadline, but even they switched their deadline to August 31 after DeWine called Celerity Jul 2024 #34
State law governs the election and yes, names are required in TX... Zeitghost Jul 2024 #44
Abbott can override state law. He has done it before. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #45
Then why hasn't he kept Dems off the ballot yet? Zeitghost Jul 2024 #46
In every other race, we vote for the candidate. President is the only race where we vote for the "elector" LeftInTX Jul 2024 #48
How many Democratic Nominees (or any major party nominees) Zeitghost Jul 2024 #49
Always a first time for everything. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #50
There have been issues Zeitghost Jul 2024 #52
Have you met the Roberts Court? RockRaven Jul 2024 #29
If they're not cheating, they're not trying. czarjak Jul 2024 #17
A caller on Thom Hartmann's show said this the other day. Jeebo Jul 2024 #18
Ok I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2024 #19
So I flick on the tv for a moment and there's Michael Moore, concerned about Biden's incapacity... Hekate Jul 2024 #20
Ayman and Michael Moore are assholes LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #21
Yes, yes they are. God help us all. Hekate Jul 2024 #25
Here's a thread on Moore you might Appreciate, Hekate.. Cha Jul 2024 #35
Thanks, Cha Hekate Jul 2024 #36
Hey Heritage Foundation - the White House is not your plaything! Initech Jul 2024 #23
Cool, let them litigate what won't happen. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2024 #27
I thought GOPers wanted Biden off ballot. Guess not. Silent Type Jul 2024 #28
This is totally moot. valleyrogue Jul 2024 #30
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #32
I'm pretty sure none of the deadlines have passed for the major parties to name their candidates. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #37
Nevada, Georgia and Wisconsin may be real problems LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #55
Nope. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #56
The lawyers representing the GOP and the Heritage Foundation disagree with your claim LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #57
All of the hard deadlines were dealt with prior to the current kerfluffle. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #58
The topic of this thread was the Heritage Foundation planned litigation if President Biden is replaced as the nominee LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #59
Well, that is extremely premature. You can't replace someone who has not yet been named. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #60
Neither I nor the DNC agree with your analysis LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #61
Again. You can't change, or replace, something that does not yet exist. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #62
I live in the real world where sematic games are dismissed as silly LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #63
Just like the midterms...they declared a red wave, we all know how that turned out. PortTack Jul 2024 #38
Won't the Biden nomination at the Democratic Convention in Chicago prevent state ballot court battles? ancianita Jul 2024 #39
A-holes BoRaGard Jul 2024 #41
File away comrades ucrdem Jul 2024 #43
What's conveniently missing from every elected official's statement calling for Biden to dropout. LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #47
My nieghbor down the block... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #51
Hope they spent retainer money already Captain Zero Jul 2024 #53
MAGAs Have a Plan Ready to Keep Any Replacement Off Ballots in November LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #54
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