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bettyellen

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37. men are suggesting slogans, rewriting posters and saying ANY education directed at men is

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:24 AM

Dec 2012

a horrible thing. Also dismissing stats, and saying it's hopeless- we just need to teach women to be more careful.
But not careful around the guys they know (responsible for 90% of rapes) because treating men like potential rapists hurts their feelings too much.
All of this, off the top of their heads, delivered as if it's a gift. I loooove the guys who tinker with slogans and "fix" posters because we're doing it all wrong, then admit they think outreach is a total waste of time. But they want to come in and over see the effort, LOL! Did we ask for support or managers?

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The vast majority of men have never raped nor thought about raping anyone. [View all] Kurska Dec 2012 OP

Trying to define the parameters of someone else's conversation rarely works too well... Just FYI... nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #1

Having read here this week, I am not convinced at all that all of the men here are allies of women LeftyMom Dec 2012 #2

Which is why, as I said, trying to define the parameters of discussion for others is not a good idea nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #3

Instead of "discuss"ing what have experienced, people need to shut their mouths and open their ears. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #7

But don't one way conversations only go so far? Kurska Dec 2012 #10

Conversations only move forward when everybody involved knows what they're talking about. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #13

Most informative conversations happen between unequally informed parties. Kurska Dec 2012 #18

That's not what's going on here. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #20

Do you feel like my op is dismissing anyone? Kurska Dec 2012 #22

I think you probably missed out on some of these threads. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #24

I'm student and it is finals week, I most certainly have. Kurska Dec 2012 #26

I agree with you totally. Just pointing out why some female posters might be on the defensive. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #30

Men, unless they have been raped, do not get "views" on rape obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #53

Yes, I find your OP dismissive obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #52

+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #23

men are suggesting slogans, rewriting posters and saying ANY education directed at men is bettyellen Dec 2012 #37

There have been several posters who have used MRA bullet points obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #54

Well you could tell quite a bit was cut and pasting because bettyellen Dec 2012 #61

it would, wouldn't it? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #62

It's just that some have hijacked the "rape threads" as a forum for their own egos. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #14

please relook at all the thread jacking, because you're giving some people bettyellen Dec 2012 #15

No disagreement here. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #11

Please don't use the "D" word. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #17

If you've never been a soldier shut the fuck up about war? mythology Dec 2012 #32

I'd listen to what they had to say. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #33

wow mercuryblues Dec 2012 #48

Never been a solider? You don't get to say what combat was like obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #56

The majority of reseachers who professionally study PSTD from combat are not veterans Kurska Dec 2012 #66

And you are a researcher? Have you made a study of rape? Or are you a guy on a message board? Squinch Dec 2012 #78

You're the only person I've seen telling people to shut up, actually. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #39

Well then, you've missed a fuck ton. bettyellen Dec 2012 #41

what if sigmasix Dec 2012 #42

I would never ever trivialize what you have LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #76

You're just hysterical XemaSab Dec 2012 #4

(i heard she was PMSing) obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #57

And I agree that there seem to be some real creeps around at DU. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #5

It is impossible to overreact to rape, it is a horrible crime. Kurska Dec 2012 #8

and most of the unfit are telling us "how" we should talk to them, same as you. bettyellen Dec 2012 #12

I view open, honest and respectful dialogue is the best way to reach anyone about any topic. Kurska Dec 2012 #16

Oh I do. But if you go through these threads you'll see evidence of many people there to bettyellen Dec 2012 #19

If you give up on that noble goal because of disrupters, then doesn't that mean they won? n/t Kurska Dec 2012 #21

If you give lip service to their "concerns" about how we talk about this.... the conversation bettyellen Dec 2012 #27

Lets say a man has a real and genuine concern that the conversation is stereotyping him as a rapist. Kurska Dec 2012 #28

if his ego concerns are more important than my health and welfare to the extent that's all he wants bettyellen Dec 2012 #36

You are assuming that the goal here is to convince men of something. It isn't. Squinch Dec 2012 #79

Me too.....+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #55

Can you give an example of someone who is "pro-rape?" Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #60

Rapist are scum who put their basest sexual desires about the rights and well being of other people niyad Dec 2012 #6

You're right, I'll edit my OP Kurska Dec 2012 #9

Isn't saying "basest sexual desires" also saying it is about sex? Bonobo Dec 2012 #25

if it were about sex, there are other outlets available. niyad Dec 2012 #38

There are other outlets for violence too. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #40

You know, that's pretty easy to say Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #29

You certainly won't find me among the number who say raping someone who is asleep is okay. Kurska Dec 2012 #31

Congratulations. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #34

Hey man, I'm agreeing with the thing that seemed the most important to you. Kurska Dec 2012 #35

But you did say Squinch Dec 2012 #77

good post -- op worthy obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #59

I'm not so sure anymore... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #43

So very well said. nt redqueen Dec 2012 #45

Thank you for this post. Really. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #46

+ a million. Thank you. LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #58

I'm really getting tired of DU men explaining rape to me. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #44

It's too bad polls are no longer anonymous FedUpWithIt All Dec 2012 #49

Ugh, I'm so sorry you went through all of that. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #50

"It's not true that the vast majority of rapists are serial predators." Incorrect Kurska Dec 2012 #67

Point out as much as you like, Kurska. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #73

Enthusiatic consent? Dokkie Dec 2012 #71

Well, maybe you should think about that a bit longer. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #74

I have a new standard for rape Dokkie Dec 2012 #75

And yet when Assange is accused of rape, of course he's innocent ... Bake Dec 2012 #47

Disruptive OT BS. There was very divided opinion that. bettyellen Dec 2012 #63

No one has accused all men of being rapists obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #51

Yep. They're hollering about stuff that never happened. bettyellen Dec 2012 #64

I was raped at 16... a la izquierda Dec 2012 #65

I dont know if I am alone on this Dokkie Dec 2012 #68

Well do you believe that rape is wrong? Kurska Dec 2012 #69

Ofc not, I am not a wild animal Dokkie Dec 2012 #72

You have rape fantasies and blame them on a rape prevention teacher.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #80

Well, right about now I'm thinking of slapping someone upside his head. J/S. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #70