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125. yeah, well in my philosophy class

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 01:24 PM

Jan 2012

we studied various belief systems. When it came to polytheism, the "christian" students folded their arms and told the teacher they didn't want to participate in the discussion. He stated that he wasn't asking them to believe in it, we were just studying it as a form of belief. Nope, they walked out of the class. Now, just how close minded do you have to be? There was no proselytizing like some christians like to do, it was just a class discussing belief systems.

And, I've seen it more than once, instead of discussing something, they walk away, sometimes giving one last shot. Like the woman who shrugged and told me "well that's war", when we were bombing Iraq and killing civilians. As long as it's not her family, apparently, who cares.

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Every day I marvel at how poor and middle class Republicans vote against their self-interests [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 OP

I think it is also a bit of this nykym Jan 2012 #1

Great quote, but I'm not sure I would include 'most men.' I'd say, 'stupid men' (and women) nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #7

But the problem is that not all of them are stupid. Many are even well educated, but Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #89

I have John Dean's book, Conservatives Without Conscience, and it is spectacular! I couldn't put it Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #94

Thanks for helping me with the right book title. "Conscience of a Conservative" was the book Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #99

No, thank you for directing me to The Family. And any others like that. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #101

maybe that has alot to do with it leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #22

Both sides tend to stereotype the other.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #2

I'm not so sure. I got quite close to a right wingnut, and he really has no ability to discuss Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #10

I thought that was you.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #21

Yes, that was me. And what flips me out is their unwillingness to even discuss anything that Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #24

If I remember though, he was not really middle class hfojvt Jan 2012 #62

Where do you place yourself on the political spectrum? nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #68

political compass says -6.12, -1.59 hfojvt Jan 2012 #82

Ok. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #85

A combination of guilt, shame, and wounded pride Mopar151 Jan 2012 #88

Anti-intellectual roots run deep in this country... Bigmack Jan 2012 #3

Thank you for posting this. Pathetic, though, isn't it? The upholding of ignorance as the ideal. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #11

And you will continue to "marvel" kctim Jan 2012 #4

Well, I guess that they have hifiguy Jan 2012 #13

Really depends who is defining kctim Jan 2012 #25

Very pretty, but 1 out of 6 Americans living in poverty, is not a state of mind or an opinion. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #37

you mean the "far left" newspeak Jan 2012 #65

+1 Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #77

Exactly! Nazi Germany backed Hitler because they believed the propaganda and fear Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #116

I agree. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #35

Please elaborate. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #14

Are people who kctim Jan 2012 #27

There is an actual human being hifiguy Jan 2012 #40

Absolutely! You explained it much better than I ever could've. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #48

So you are saying kctim Jan 2012 #86

I am more than willing to infringe on the "rights" hifiguy Jan 2012 #91

People with wealth kctim Jan 2012 #103

See my post #93. nt hifiguy Jan 2012 #104

If we are indeed in a representative republic, there's no representation if the 1% Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #115

There is not 'if' about it, we are indeed a representative republic kctim Jan 2012 #127

That document is quite lovely, but if the 1% is ruling (which it is) something has to CHANGE Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #128

I respect your opinion kctim Jan 2012 #130

Fine, but expect me to stand against symbols being used to protect the 1%, Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #131

Placing the rich and corporations before citizens is NOT protecting rights and freedoms Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #47

The people you are condemning in your post kctim Jan 2012 #87

One slight difference you willfully overlook: hifiguy Jan 2012 #93

Interesting that you put 'all' in bold kctim Jan 2012 #106

Not at all. A couple of personal friends are in the 1% hifiguy Jan 2012 #107

you mean individual freedom like pro-choice? newspeak Jan 2012 #69

Yes, like REAL pro-choice though kctim Jan 2012 #90

Bullshit beliefs such as that abortion is the primary issue is bullshit Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #117

I was referring to actually being pro-choice, not being pro-abortion kctim Jan 2012 #120

hitler outlawed abortion newspeak Jan 2012 #122

He also did away with private ownership of weapons kctim Jan 2012 #126

Against what you THINK their self-interests are cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #5

Yes, but in all honesty, they're cutting off their nose to spite their face. A sign of stupidity. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #6

unfortunately a lot of them vote against their own interests because they buy the GOP line about WI_DEM Jan 2012 #8

That's part of what they adore: having an enemy. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #23

Tree of knowledge is bad. Bad, I say! stillwaiting Jan 2012 #9

It is an aversion, but NOT all countries feel or think this way. That's why I'm amazed at these Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #16

Go read "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life" MicaelS Jan 2012 #12

Why...What are the reasons? who noes these daze;...me thinks its laziness coupled with opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #15

Pitiful really... and scary in the implications for the future. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #17

Yup. What concerns me too is that this anti-education philosophy seems to run deep nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #19

Pol Pot killed off people who wore glasses because they were educated. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #38

Yes, same anti-intellectualism. The glorification of ignorance by the right wing is astounding. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #39

simple Mr Dixon Jan 2012 #18

The American Dream? Amazing. More like The American Nightmare is what they believe in. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #20

Bad news. Those weren't all Republicans who voted for Reagan twice NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #26

Maybe so, but the bulk of those who vote Republican, ARE Republican. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #30

Google: Is Something Really Wrong With Kansas? libinnyandia Jan 2012 #28

This is true. That's why Repukes block the black vote, because these are far more aware of reality Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #34

How about old people that vote republican? taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #29

True. I never blame old people, though, because old people have a miserably scary life in the U.S. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #32

Maybe middle class and poor live in fear too. taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #123

well, just viewing my in laws newspeak Jan 2012 #124

They're either self interests or they're not The2ndWheel Jan 2012 #31

Not really. They vote in favor of corporate interests and those of the wealthy, neither of which Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #33

Most American voters vote against their self interest. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #36

There's no big mystery, it IS simply because they are stupid asses just1voice Jan 2012 #41

That's how I see it, but the mega-wealthy push this idea of anti-intellectualism until the Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #46

Great article DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #42

No article, really. It's just my observations of Republicans, based on my observations of them Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #45

Republicans vote with their "Black Heart" and not their Brain postatomic Jan 2012 #43

They vote without using their brain. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #44

i marvel at how they see the right wing politicians as the good guys.... spanone Jan 2012 #49

I know. It's like thinking up is down, and bad is good. All screwed up. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #50

A working American voting Republicon is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders. ErikJ Jan 2012 #51

It is. Voting against one's own self interests is just plain stupid. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #56

Large family-the math dummies are now Republicon ErikJ Jan 2012 #52

The 5 with bad grades are right wing extremists? Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #55

The book, "What's the Matter with Kansas"? explains this craziness young_at_heart Jan 2012 #53

You're right. Which is why Occupy is so important - it brings capitalism into discussion Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #54

No, they don't. Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #57

"Freedom from federal government" is a propaganda tactic, and not based on reality Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #58

That's what YOU think. That's not what THEY think. Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #59

I will never forget a PBS documentary I saw once which dealt with the homeless and their problems Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #60

And by the way, the Ayn Randish form of thinking is bullshit propaganda, beloved by corporations Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #61

Back in college, we called them "Randroids" KamaAina Jan 2012 #63

Randroids is an ideal name for them. Randroids worship at the Church of Ayn Rand, Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #67

it seems that little boots newspeak Jan 2012 #79

in the land of snap judgments: emotions trump thought, style over substance. NuttyFluffers Jan 2012 #64

Pressed for time? nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #66

I think what the other poster is referring to Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #72

That's true. Americans are so much busier and work so much harder than in Europe, Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #74

The Republicans have redefined "elitism" Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #70

Exactly! Repukes have perfected the propaganda that ignorance is something to strive for. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #84

Racism seems to have a lot to do with it. hunter Jan 2012 #71

You make a very good point, and the biggest ideals of the GOP are based on racism, Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #83

Simple - it's the 3-Gs LynneSin Jan 2012 #73

How did you avoid having that message ingrained in your mind? Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #80

Well you should not be surprised mstinamotorcity Jan 2012 #75

This is true. :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #76

I think it has more to do with values booley Jan 2012 #78

Everyone has priorities. Doesn't mean they're good priorities. Even pedophiles have priorities. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #81

It's not priorities booley Jan 2012 #110

yeah, well in my philosophy class newspeak Jan 2012 #125

The Dems no longer know how to appeal to working-class people Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #92

You think so? I wish I could believe that. :( nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #95

It would be interesting to find out exactly who the 50% who don't vote are Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #108

That's what kept me changing my party for affiliation so long Populist_Prole Jan 2012 #121

It's not a mystery. "Values" trump "interests" for many voters now. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #96

Thanks! I hadn't heard of Don't Think of an Elephant, but I just read a review on it, and it seems Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #102

Moral Politics is also good booley Jan 2012 #111

Oooh... that's the big one. I have started "Metaphors We Live By"... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #112

Glad to help, Sarah. "Elephant" is a pretty easy read. It's essentially... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #113

Opiate MNBrewer Jan 2012 #97

For the most part. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #100

By the way, I seem to have a fan base of Repigs. If you do a search on the Internet for Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #98

Yes. It is truly unbelievable. nt Zorra Jan 2012 #105

You mean.....? graywarrior Jan 2012 #109

corporate media hegemony arely staircase Jan 2012 #114

I have given up any desire to compromise with republicans. bluestate10 Jan 2012 #118

Absolutely they're traitors. They're the opposite of anything they claim to be Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #119

That because poor and middle class repubs have different interest. SpartanDem Jan 2012 #129