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58. Generational Confusion
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 03:20 PM
Jul 2024

In 1991, Sociologists William Strauss and Niel Howe (S&H) wrote a book called The Fourth Turning, where they introduced the idea that generations tend to follow distinct patterns, and where they first laid out all of the Generation A, B, C nonsense going back some 400 years. Their thesis was that population patterns (based primarily on a demographic measure called adjusted fertility rate, which is more or less the number of children who survived past infancy of a woman over her lifetime) followed a clear sinusoidal period of around 36 years (peak to trough and back). Their contention was that because this was a regular cycle, it should have been measured from midpoint to midpoint In this case from around 1946 to around 1964, with the midpoint peak being in 1955.

Now, this is complicated by five factors:
1. The Baby Boom generation was anomalous in that it marked a period where fertility rates overall fell from an average of about 6-7 children per family, to the more recent regime where it was about 1-2 children per family.
2. Infant Mortality was also in the midst of falling, which also affected the average life expectancy (which rose proportionately to the drop off of infant mortality.
3. This marked the period during which women's rights became a major societal factor - more women were better educated, which has a major impact on the number of children that they have.
4. The pill was introduced in 1958, which caused the number of children born to drop dramatically.
5. The population went from largely agrarian in 1900 to mainly urban by 2024, where the cost of raising children has grown dramatically.

I've long been of the belief that, because of this, the "Boomers" should have been measured from about 1936 to1954. This is consonant with cultural phenomenon - most of the first real rockers were all born in within a few years of one another between 1935 and 1938, while 1955 saw the birth of most of the major leading figures in the tech boom such as Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc., - these were major inflection points where birth rates hit their nadir and zenith respectively. By that measure, Obama and Harris are in the same cohort both temporally and socially.

It's worth noting as well that after 1971, the birth rate dropped down to about 1.75 children per family, below the replacement rate of 2.1 children, and it only touched that replacement rate again (for a year) around 2007. Since then the birth rate has been dropping steadily, and is now down to 1.66 in the US, and outside of the Tropics of Cancer and Capricon is about 1.45 globally.

Also, if you've ever wondered, this has largely been warped into the Race Replacement Theory by the MAGAt conspiracy theorists- that the population is declining, and soon all the brown people from the Tropics will emigrate to take their place as part of some vast conspiracy. There is a (small) grain of truth in that - the only place where population is still above the replacement rate is along the equator to about 30 degrees north and south of it, primarily because most of these cultures are (or at least have been) largely agrarian, meaning that the factors given above are only just now coming into play for these populations.

China's population peaked last year, India's is still growing but should peak by 2030 (both have negative birth rates but still rising life expectancy and falling infant mortality rates). By 2050, most of the world should have falling fertility rates, and by 2100, the population should end up peaking at around 9.5 billion people. US population will likely have stalled at around 400 million, and will be declining by 2050.

So, anyway, I personally believe both Barack Obama and Kamala Harris are GenX. Their values are definitely not Boomers (Born in 1963, Im about halfway between the two, and I do not consider myself a Boomer either). It doesn't make that much difference after about 1971 - until about 2007, when there was a decided drop off of birth rates that I think coincided with the start of the Great Recession.

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Every generation has people like that. Exhibit A: JD Vance age 39. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #1
Important point Cirsium Jul 2024 #44
Thank you for this post. thucythucy Jul 2024 #48
Thanks for the welcome (end message) Cirsium Jul 2024 #64
Lets not get carried away here.... getagrip_already Jul 2024 #2
Always Rebl2 Jul 2024 #6
Nope! Gex X begins in 1965. jimfields33 Jul 2024 #15
These aren't official designations. The overlap is called Gen Jones Bucky Jul 2024 #27
Still not Gen X. jimfields33 Jul 2024 #40
You can pout, but this notion that there are official GenX years is ridiculous Bucky Jul 2024 #45
I go with facts. jimfields33 Jul 2024 #46
LOL, okay boomer Bucky Jul 2024 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Jul 2024 #59
I'm a real Gen X!!!!! jimfields33 Jul 2024 #61
Yeah, but even those born in '65--'69 aren't true Xers Polybius Jul 2024 #70
Them's fightin' words-- Wingus Dingus Jul 2024 #75
You're right before '70, so you will be fine Polybius Jul 2024 #78
Were it up to me, and it's not... -misanthroptimist Jul 2024 #79
Show me a Boomer born in late '64 who has the same cultural touchstones as one born in '46. ArkansasDemocrat1 Jul 2024 #37
Irrelevant. jimfields33 Jul 2024 #41
I was born in early '63, but very similar. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #65
As a 70's Xer, you're a lot different than us too though Polybius Jul 2024 #71
On the other hand, I had a very early Xer stepsister, Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #72
I'm in the last year according to the Gen Jones concept of Boomers ('53)... electric_blue68 Jul 2024 #69
Not according to one of the earliest books written about that generation. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #67
There isn't a cut off. The date ranges are fuzzy & overlap Bucky Jul 2024 #29
Bill Clinton, GWB, Obama were all Boomers. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #3
Obama was Gen X arlyellowdog Jul 2024 #13
lol. Not! jimfields33 Jul 2024 #16
nope- Obama was Born in 1961 - Boomer. Harris is on the cusp of Boomer/Gen X. nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #17
Generation Jones Bucky Jul 2024 #30
Generation Jones people are alternately called trailing-edge boomers Eugene Jul 2024 #34
I guess it's legit, since none of it's science Bucky Jul 2024 #36
Generation Jones is An artificial label that nobody uses Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #39
All labels are artificial. That's why you put a label on a thing Bucky Jul 2024 #43
Trump is a boomer. maveric Jul 2024 #14
Yeah, that's not true about the "boomer" generation. harumph Jul 2024 #4
The majority of Boomers voted for Trump twice. Mariana Jul 2024 #18
Everyone who voted for Trump fucked things up for everyone else, whatever generation they belonged to. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #20
You are part of a set: the generation known as boomers Voltaire2 Jul 2024 #53
The "Boomer" generation didn't screw over the generations to follow calguy Jul 2024 #5
The Silent Generation gave us civil rights, for the most part. Sky Jewels Jul 2024 #9
And rock & roll Bucky Jul 2024 #31
Very true. It's all sort of silly. Sky Jewels Jul 2024 #33
What does AIDS have to do with its? Big Blue Marble Jul 2024 #54
And brought the second wave of feminism, Big Blue Marble Jul 2024 #55
They broke for Reagan in both 1980 and 1984. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #21
I wasn't old enough to vote in 1980, and proudly voted for Mondale in 1984. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #60
Were you asked to? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #63
I thought I belonged to the "they" category that you referenced in your previous post. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #66
You do, apparently, but "broke for" in political contexts tends to mean that a majority of the cohort mentioned WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #68
I'm a boomer Wicked Blue Jul 2024 #35
Then why did they insist we use plastic bags instead of paper? jimfields33 Jul 2024 #42
It was the corporations! They thought using plastic bags would save money Wicked Blue Jul 2024 #49
Yes! And WE were told that plastic bags would SAVE the environment! raging moderate Jul 2024 #52
Did they stand up and say, "no. The trees will be fine." jimfields33 Jul 2024 #62
Did you ever notice that no one EVER told a 5 foot... 3catwoman3 Jul 2024 #76
I don't think we are ever going to have a President born in the 1950s. LisaM Jul 2024 #7
Technically it would be possible to have a pair of identical twins, Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #23
It is, and it really encourages generational bashing, IMO. LisaM Jul 2024 #25
Some of us were idealists hoping to save the world Wicked Blue Jul 2024 #38
Kamala Harris is a Boomer. Sky Jewels Jul 2024 #8
She's a cusper arlyellowdog Jul 2024 #11
Yep. I was born a bit more than a year after she was, and Sky Jewels Jul 2024 #28
She's a Joneser Bucky Jul 2024 #32
She looks so young and is so energetic most people don't realize she will be 60 on Election Day. WarGamer Jul 2024 #12
Born in 1964... VP Harris is also a Boomer... WarGamer Jul 2024 #10
Kamala is a late boomer, as am I. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #19
Yes, she is a Baby Boomer. valleyrogue Jul 2024 #24
Trump, Bush II, and Clinton are the exact age. valleyrogue Jul 2024 #22
Boomer here. It's true at least based on my former friends from high school... CousinIT Jul 2024 #26
My friends from high school and college are gung-ho Democrats Wicked Blue Jul 2024 #51
You're so lucky. CousinIT Jul 2024 #73
That is such a shame Wicked Blue Jul 2024 #74
I'm so grateful that the next generation is picking up the mantle WhiteTara Jul 2024 #50
doomers poozwah Jul 2024 #56
I'm technically a boomer. mucholderthandirt Jul 2024 #57
Generational Confusion Metaphorical Jul 2024 #58
GenX will claim her - Exhibit A below MaryMagdaline Jul 2024 #77
All things being equal, Torchlight Jul 2024 #80
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