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360. Isn't violence all one in the same?

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:06 PM

Dec 2012

I can understand a desire for self-defense, but to anticipate the need to be involved with violent self-defense to the point of killing with a device made for doing so seems to be very extreme. That is part of what I mean about violence having a pervasive influence in the culture. How did we get to a point where that is considered to be reasonable, and even necessary by some? This sets up an expectation for violence that is largely unwarranted. Most people will never be in a situation where having a gun to defend themselves would be any help at all, so why even consider it? To me, it makes about as much sense as constructing a cover for your house to defend it from crashing aircraft. A number of people die that way, but no one considers that necessary, because of the culture we live in.

As for TV vs. reality, that may be what drives a lot of this. Violence is pervasive on television. It simply doesn't exist that way in our world. Why is it so entertaining? If the answer is that it's a fantasy, is participation in that fantasy why people want to one guns? I don't think so... I doubt that's why you own guns. I mean, it's not like owning a copy of the Highlander sword for you or something. However, both say something about the culture, but I'm not entirely sure what.

I absolutely agree that things have to change about there being this "hated other." I don't own guns, and I never will, but I will also always defend the rights of others to do so. I'm not making an equivalence here, but it's the same as I defend the rights of the KKK to hold their beliefs as I want everyone to have first amendment rights. That is, just because I don't exercise a right in a certain way doesn't mean I would deny that to others. I don't want to be in a homosexual relationship either, but I want others to be able to. We need to come together and recognize that we are all in the same fight for our rights and liberty.

Like I said... answers? I don't have any.

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Bob Costas just did an anti-gun editorial during half time of Sunday Night Football [View all] Renew Deal Dec 2012 OP

Damn... TheMightyFavog Dec 2012 #1

Not sure it's unexpected. Bob Costas is one of the most thoughtful commentators... CreekDog Dec 2012 #109

No wonder I like him. Thank you, Bob! I am now a huge fan! nt kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #259

Still surprised me ... imagine the network execs got some smoking calls. SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2012 #306

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nice way to introduce yourself to DU. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #44

I alerted on this short timer. panader0 Dec 2012 #51

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I offer my sincere apology on behalf of the legitimate RKBA community. : ) nt rDigital Dec 2012 #84

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People that aren't regulars on this site and have no interest in it other than to start fights and rDigital Dec 2012 #152

And he went "poof!" Good to "hear" from you! Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #229

LOL, He's a good guy, we just have a history. : ) nt rDigital Dec 2012 #256

Hope your back in the Gungeon soon... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #277

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Respect for Costas. N/t Hoyt Dec 2012 #4

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At the end he said something like "if he didn't have a gun, she would be alive today" Renew Deal Dec 2012 #12

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Supporting evidence needed. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #271

I do my own cooking. harmonicon Dec 2012 #287

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"I think we need to examine a culture Carolina Dec 2012 #278

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Bingo. nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #365

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There are 100-150 million hand guns in the USA. And 500,000 sold every month..... Logical Dec 2012 #6

The Whitlock article didn't say handguns should be banned. morningfog Dec 2012 #13

"And, that had he not had one, two people would not be dead today." Renew Deal Dec 2012 #18

+1 Precisely. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #27

He shot her 9 times and in less than a minute proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #260

It's not about convenience Renew Deal Dec 2012 #263

Of course it is. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #268

So take away guns from concussion patients now? alp227 Dec 2012 #284

But guns make it a whole lot easier to kill and more quickly too. alarimer Dec 2012 #274

+1 proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #293

I believe you're correct. Something very similar happened to a man we met last year... lexw Dec 2012 #304

He had two sarisataka Dec 2012 #265

But not as quickly. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #269

So to follow your train of thought sarisataka Dec 2012 #275

Anger + Quick decision + weapon = Death proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #276

Anger + Quick decision + weapon = Death sarisataka Dec 2012 #289

According to KC media, he had several guns. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #165

Since when does (have(ing) several guns" equate to "a fascination with guns"? PavePusher Dec 2012 #202

That's what the Chiefs player said proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #213

The quote you used is often repeated, but never sustantiated. Please do so.nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #233

It is substantiated with common sense and logic. morningfog Dec 2012 #236

You have shown neither. So I don't expect much "help." Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #252

Good luck! morningfog Dec 2012 #299

This isn't really an argument about banning hand guns Renew Deal Dec 2012 #15

Well said. Plus it is a losing issue for Democrats at the national level. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #17

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Sure, but which argument is likely to get us a 100+ post flamefest, a half-dozen petronius Dec 2012 #38

Good point. flvegan Dec 2012 #47

It's insane. Everyone knows it's the rap music that's to blame. Dr. Strange Dec 2012 #322

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I think you're making the wrong argument Renew Deal Dec 2012 #22

I don't know. Russia has 3x our total murder rate and no civilian legal handguns. It's definitely rDigital Dec 2012 #36

A people with guns issue. nt Walk away Dec 2012 #43

It's always something, but it's always people. They're trying to ban pointy knives in the UK right rDigital Dec 2012 #48

Where do you get your stats? Fox or the NRA? Whovian Dec 2012 #75

Total Murder/100k people. You'll notice that Russia's murder rate is convieniently not listed rDigital Dec 2012 #120

You're correct, but the comparison is moot Whovian Dec 2012 #136

Our rates were Apples & Oranges. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #145

I suppose they are. Whovian Dec 2012 #149

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He's right. DirkGently Dec 2012 #9

Yes he is. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #214

Are you kidding me????? valkenator Dec 2012 #10

reductio ad absurdum - no one's even remotely proposing such an idiot thing. In fact, I haven't even patrice Dec 2012 #81

Nobody should ban a gun, but it should be a law to keep that gun only in the owners home graham4anything Dec 2012 #124

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Root Causes of violence in America. rDigital Dec 2012 #186

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It reminds me of the repub/tea/libertarians that try to lessen the # of voters each election graham4anything Dec 2012 #194

About that "CONSTITUTIONALLY ALLOWED" thing... appal_jack Dec 2012 #198

that is your right. HOWEVER I remind YOU- graham4anything Dec 2012 #201

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What a lovely way to introduce yourselves to DU. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #176

None of which would have prevented anything that happened here. PavePusher Dec 2012 #203

as Bing Crosby said in White Christmas "everybody has an angle". graham4anything Dec 2012 #209

Problem: You can't get them off the street, either... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #235

Don't waste your breath, Patrice. Look at all of the 1 post wonders in this thread. :) rDigital Dec 2012 #158

No, no one's kidding you. You're kidding yourself to think your prediction is even remotely probable patrice Dec 2012 #90

1000 % agree sag1968 Dec 2012 #101

Fascinating. So, are you a psychiatrist, or a psychologist? harmonicon Dec 2012 #123

Wouldn't this logic equate having a penis with being a likely rapist? nt rDigital Dec 2012 #327

Are penises designed for raping? harmonicon Dec 2012 #329

That is a straw man. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #334

Explain how. You can't just say "straw man" to pretend you've won an argument. (nt) harmonicon Dec 2012 #341

You present and "refute" an invalid argument that I didn't make. Textbook Strawman. rDigital Dec 2012 #342

You didn't present an argument. harmonicon Dec 2012 #344

did you vote for Romney? hrmjustin Dec 2012 #142

It sounds like he killed her in a fit of anger rhiannon55 Dec 2012 #154

One post, eh? And it's about as dumb as it gets..nt joeybee12 Dec 2012 #272

Guns make it easier to kill! tonybgood Dec 2012 #288

Stupid thinking willcamjr Dec 2012 #11

Guns are way more efficient at killing than any of those other things you list that a killer might patrice Dec 2012 #104

I'm 64. I'll choose my .38 over an armed spooner. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #240

Narrow thinking= on your part joesdaughter Dec 2012 #192

So who is more likely to smoke a cigarette? toby jo Dec 2012 #355

Three first time posters in this thread! That has to be a record. All gun lovers, surprise, surprise morningfog Dec 2012 #14

lease provide what information makes you think I am a "gun lover"? Brilliant info by you!! Logical Dec 2012 #39

I never claimed you were. morningfog Dec 2012 #49

It brought me many moons ago, but I'm not quite ready to take ownership of these ones. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #41

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Six first time posters in this thread now.......... panader0 Dec 2012 #74

I think I saw six. alp227 Dec 2012 #163

They're not new. They're sockpuppets of imbedded trolls. onehandle Dec 2012 #237

"Ignore the gun psychos, onehandle" slackmaster Dec 2012 #244

Mr. NRA-tear down that wall! The peaceful revolution won by Obama is continuing graham4anything Dec 2012 #16

Oh dear. n/t flvegan Dec 2012 #25

Bob Costas is about as relevant to politics as 8-Track cassette decks are to modern music. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #45

Jovan Belcher though is another story. Nothing more sacred in America than the NFL graham4anything Dec 2012 #60

Wrong, there's nothing more sacred in America than Chipotle's Burritos & Bowls. :) nt rDigital Dec 2012 #71

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thank god this isn't radio. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #70

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3/4 of "fart" is "art." Is that your ode? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #243

That is Exactly Why I Don't Own a Gun On the Road Dec 2012 #19

I feel the same way. harmonicon Dec 2012 #137

On fetishists and pile ons... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #245

People like you and I have discussions, I guess... I don't know. harmonicon Dec 2012 #286

I sympathize with your concerns about violence... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #358

Isn't violence all one in the same? harmonicon Dec 2012 #360

I don't agree with your characterization of "anticipating the need..." as "extreme." Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #367

You've hit upon what I think the real issue is. harmonicon Dec 2012 #368

Perhaps this is the issue indeed... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #369

We don't have to agree about how to live our personal lives. harmonicon Dec 2012 #370

My spare gas cans are much more of a "ticking time bomb". n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #205

And it was a legal gun. As usual. It's because of legal guns that one can't get rid of illegal ones graham4anything Dec 2012 #20

This is Illinoischick Dec 2012 #21

+1 :) and welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #26

Thank you Illinoischick Dec 2012 #56

You're both quite welcome... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #65

Thank you for the Invite!!!!!!!! Illinoischick Dec 2012 #85

Anytime :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #91

Prove it. eom. Raine1967 Dec 2012 #167

Here's an example AlexSatan Dec 2012 #219

That's not proof. Raine1967 Dec 2012 #362

And I gave you AlexSatan Dec 2012 #363

And how is it you have such insight into his state of mind and intent? harmonicon Dec 2012 #189

What??? Commonsense11 Dec 2012 #23

No Bob, that's silly.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #24

Take it to the gungeon : ) nt rDigital Dec 2012 #28

Good for him!!!!! Will rednecks quit watching football? LeftInTX Dec 2012 #29

LMAO Hoyt Dec 2012 #196

Reality just skipped a cog mountaineer072 Dec 2012 #31

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Where did you and your pals come from? morningfog Dec 2012 #68

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"the football scores the touchdowns." Thanks. Perfect. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #247

Remember something important- it took years & Rock Hudson to awaken Pres. Reagan to AIDS graham4anything Dec 2012 #34

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You sheep are hilarious... notloc5 Dec 2012 #37

Welcome to DU. You are proof that our jury system is broken. onehandle Dec 2012 #55

...enough rope... be patient. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #67

Karl Rove, is that you? eaglesfanintn Dec 2012 #310

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You might want to read the TOS. This is a discussion forum for Democrats, Progressives and Liberals rDigital Dec 2012 #52

Way to go Bob. Bravo ! pangaia Dec 2012 #46

Google Chris Benoit. Tell me what kind of Gun he used. n-t Logical Dec 2012 #50

Steroid GUNS! nt rDigital Dec 2012 #54

I missed where Costas or Whitlock said all murders could be avoided morningfog Dec 2012 #62

He didn't. Straw Man Dec 2012 #174

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bob is in idiot Sfrosty Dec 2012 #58

Where the fuck did you all swarm from? morningfog Dec 2012 #63

You and me both. Panasonic Dec 2012 #66

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The Society of the Friends billh58 Dec 2012 #332

Number of murders by guns was 169 per week or 8775 total in 2010 neverforget Dec 2012 #73

BUT HOW MANY WITH BOWS AND ARROWS OR SHARP OBJECTS1!1!1!11!!! morningfog Dec 2012 #78

1704 were killed by knives in 2010 or 33 per week neverforget Dec 2012 #86

"sharp-edged" weapons are used more frequently than... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #250

Can you please honestly answer: Which site did you hear about DU from? nt rDigital Dec 2012 #80

Doctors are there to protect life. Guns? Not so much. name not needed Dec 2012 #153

"Bob is in idiot" Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #353

I would like to know what law would stop someone this irrational? davidn3600 Dec 2012 #61

What on earth makes you think that? harmonicon Dec 2012 #191

This then begs the question: billh58 Dec 2012 #333

Thank You, Bob! southern_belle Dec 2012 #72

Thanks, Bob, for using a tragedy to promote pure bullshit. (nt) eqfan592 Dec 2012 #82

Regulation is key 205 Dec 2012 #83

Where did this "spoon make you fat" argument come from? morningfog Dec 2012 #92

idk... the internet 205 Dec 2012 #97

Do you have a gun or other political forum you frequent? morningfog Dec 2012 #99

no 205 Dec 2012 #108

Riiiiiiight. morningfog Dec 2012 #116

haha thanks 205 Dec 2012 #119

did you vote for Romney? hrmjustin Dec 2012 #130

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Wake up. I've owned, used guns, and hung out with gun owners. One thing I know. They won't use them ancianita Dec 2012 #180

why should he face the same scrutiny as Hank Jr.? fishwax Dec 2012 #96

exactly 205 Dec 2012 #102

it's a topic related to sports and he offered commentary fishwax Dec 2012 #115

Hank and Bob 205 Dec 2012 #132

And? The situations aren't comparable. Reasonable people can agree or disagree with what Bob said. fishwax Dec 2012 #140

mostly agree... good point 205 Dec 2012 #144

it is a sensitive issue - not inherently political because it cuts across both left and right. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #148

I don't have a problem with it. Sports and social issues often intersect. fishwax Dec 2012 #150

Yes, I'm waiting for his anti-abortion screed!... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #264

you want to know what's naive? kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #111

is the 2nd amendment outdated? 205 Dec 2012 #139

I don't think our government is going to turn on us. kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #338

No one with any sense... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #143

The phrase you are looking for is "asymetrical warfare" or "insurgency". PavePusher Dec 2012 #207

Just like this Afghan rebel did right? Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #212

...Algeria, Cuba, Indo-China, Afghanistan, Afghanistan again, Vietnam... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #255

On what date will Victory in Afghanistan Day be celebrated? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #285

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Isn't it strange........ Capt.Rocky300 Dec 2012 #88

hmmmm as Arte Johnson used to say Veeeery interesting... graham4anything Dec 2012 #93

Guns don't kill people kill sag1968 Dec 2012 #89

Hows AR15.com doing today? nt rDigital Dec 2012 #94

Hope to see you back soon. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #103

You too. I hope it's just a matter of time. : ) nt rDigital Dec 2012 #129

Besides being an absurd question you propose, NONE of those "deadly" things you list compare patrice Dec 2012 #98

How right you are! discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #100

Did you vote for romney? hrmjustin Dec 2012 #138

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Sorry for the swearing folks: boguspotus Dec 2012 #175

I alerted proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #179

Stupid false equivalencies in this thread: spoons are not guns. nt patrice Dec 2012 #106

+1 southern_belle Dec 2012 #114

Notice how often that same thing is repeated too. You'd think team prep would have been a patrice Dec 2012 #127

AMAZES ME oldhippydude Dec 2012 #107

Don't you remember the good old days at DU2? Renew Deal Dec 2012 #112

Note also the cogent insighful empirical cases we're seeing here: how right you are; agree 10000%; patrice Dec 2012 #118

Kick for Bob. moondust Dec 2012 #113

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Gun threads are like a moth to flames....Unbelievable how fast newbies show up neverforget Dec 2012 #134

lol Renew Deal Dec 2012 #141

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No more Sunday Night Football Granite ranger Dec 2012 #157

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It was inappropriate. If he had made an anti-abortion JohnnyBoots Dec 2012 #221

it's an opinion. he has a right to an opinion whether I like it or not. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #223

I just feel JohnnyBoots Dec 2012 #226

it's not politics. it cuts across politics. I think we all should be able to discuss all of these NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #227

did you vote for Romney my friend? hrmjustin Dec 2012 #161

Your request has been received and rejected. Thank you. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #164

I'm sure Bob is just heartbroken over your decision. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #171

Too bad.His first amendment rights hold. Get used to it. I refuse to debate settled abortion law,too ancianita Dec 2012 #181

Yeah... encourage all Americans to stop watching football jberryhill Dec 2012 #188

Best of luck finding something else to do on Sunday nights! Barack_America Dec 2012 #215

Good for him BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #162

I'm against banning guns BUT krawhitham Dec 2012 #168

There should be way more community mental health resources, so people with problems patrice Dec 2012 #178

Why are you... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #182

And we should apply that to all our Constitutional Rights..... PavePusher Dec 2012 #208

Does an 8 year old have the right to keep and bear arms? krawhitham Dec 2012 #253

No - that certainly fall under reasonable regulation hack89 Dec 2012 #254

Nice - unconstitutional as hell but nice. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #224

How soon before he gets fired? iandhr Dec 2012 #177

Many of the posters in the gun forums support a law which would prevent a doctor from saying this CreekDog Dec 2012 #185

Good god!!! Spirochete Dec 2012 #187

Costas is maybe half right JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #204

Good for him. It's about damned time someone spoke up. catbyte Dec 2012 #210

DU Gun Enthusiasts Always Claim They Support The Entire Bill Of Rights. Paladin Dec 2012 #218

I don't see anyone arguing that the government should censure Costas. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #220

I don't begrudge Mr. Costas right to speak his mind sarisataka Dec 2012 #279

Oh, You're Breaking My Heart. Paladin Dec 2012 #295

You missed the point sarisataka Dec 2012 #296

Actually, I Nailed The Point. Paladin Dec 2012 #317

Thank you for your support sarisataka Dec 2012 #319

Oddly Enough, I Think You And I Might Get Along. (nt) Paladin Dec 2012 #325

Peace to you and yours sarisataka Dec 2012 #330

Not an editorial or opinion piece by Costas ... he's just reading what someone else wrote. Auggie Dec 2012 #222

13! 13 Hidden Messages! Ah ah ah! Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #225

I haven't seen anything like it on DU3 Renew Deal Dec 2012 #231

Whitlock through Costas.. Upton Dec 2012 #228

Whitlock is a disgusting bigot. Clames Dec 2012 #239

Did you expect an anti-steroid or concussion/brain damage editorial? hack89 Dec 2012 #230

Brave thing to do The Time is Now Dec 2012 #234

He read the words of someone else -- an easy and safe thing to do Auggie Dec 2012 #241

Would Mr. Whitlock and Mr. Costas feel better if Kasandra Perkins had been beaten to death? slackmaster Dec 2012 #242

No They Wouldn't, Slack. Paladin Dec 2012 #248

Yes he would have had a party. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #261

What a fucking sick thing to say! neverforget Dec 2012 #308

What a shallow waste of skin. -..__... Dec 2012 #246

Said the pot to the kettle. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #283

I bet Bob just made the celebrity section of the NRA's anti-gun list NoGOPZone Dec 2012 #249

Wow, this post touched some nerves. northoftheborder Dec 2012 #251

I offer this by way of explanation... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #273

Wishful Thinking On Your Part. Paladin Dec 2012 #302

Just explaining... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #359

He's right. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #266

If this crime had been committed with a car lbrtbell Dec 2012 #282

Cars are made to kill provide? uponit7771 Dec 2012 #303

Cars are made to kill people? uponit7771 Dec 2012 #305

Wow! This has got the gun nuts all riled up! DanTex Dec 2012 #290

I thought I was the only one who picked up on that during his commentary!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #294

Bravo Bob Costas 1ProudAtheist Dec 2012 #297

how often is that true, barbtries Dec 2012 #300

Years ago I was an NRA member Major Nikon Dec 2012 #301

Hilarious bongbong Dec 2012 #307

K&R MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #309

Guns have one purpose Rollin Dec 2012 #311

A gun didn't kill Kasandra Perkins. BeliQueen Dec 2012 #313

My right-wing ex nephew-in-law is going crazy over this on Facebook. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #314

Big ups BOB! (nm) Rambis Dec 2012 #315

Good for you, Bob rivegauche Dec 2012 #316

This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #318

Bravo Mr Costas amuse bouche Dec 2012 #320

Listening to the comment, it was more anti-gun culture than pro-gun control... Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #321

Which is what most of us are Doctor_J Dec 2012 #351

I personally see the incident as more of a domestic violence problem than a gun problem. Over rainlillie Dec 2012 #323

I've Never Gotten The Appeal colsohlibgal Dec 2012 #324

I don't see anything inherently anti-gun - mosty just stating the obvious. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #331

Wasn't really a very good argument in my opinion Jersey Devil Dec 2012 #335

I almost never agree with Whitlock but I agree with that underpants Dec 2012 #336

Belcher was a highly intelligent college grad (year early) jaysunb Dec 2012 #339

He can cry about guns all he likes......... Oldenuff Dec 2012 #343

What A Perfect Statement Of Pro-Gun Absolutism. Paladin Dec 2012 #350

"I loves my gun. I hug it and squeeze it and kiss it and call it George." Suji to Seoul Dec 2012 #345

Thank god bagimin Dec 2012 #346

rightwing radio trashing him today Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #347

Why I will never have a gun in my house, ever. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #352

Bobby C. was just stating the obvious, really drynberg Dec 2012 #354

"Unfathomable" events? rocktivity Dec 2012 #356