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BainsBane

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17. healthcare

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:36 PM

Dec 2012

Before Obamacare, the US pays 18% of GDP on healthcare, more than any nation on earth. Yet we have worse outcomes. We simply could not afford the existing system. It harms global competitiveness of US businesses and results in third world infant mortality levels. The fact is Obamacare--while far from ideal from the point of view of most progressives--saves taxpayers money, over $100 billion according to the Congressional Budget Office. Single payer would have been more cost effective, yet the Democrats did not believe the political will existed for it.

We all pay a great deal for the uninsured. That is one of the key financial savings of Obamacare. The argument that it costs more money is fiction, GOP propaganda. The existing system was the most expensive in the world precisely because of its rampant inefficiencies.

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Why should I vote Democratic? [View all] HonEur12 Dec 2012 OP

Did you vote for Mitt Romney? ProSense Dec 2012 #1

No. HonEur12 Dec 2012 #2

Did you vote for President Obama? n/t ProSense Dec 2012 #3

Yes. HonEur12 Dec 2012 #10

Eureka! ProSense Dec 2012 #13

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As a vet you've earned the nation's respect BainsBane Dec 2012 #9

Good points HonEur12 Dec 2012 #15

"Gun people", Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #29

And that should be clear ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #31

yeah, Obama has been great business for the gun companies BainsBane Dec 2012 #34

If you ask me most "gun people" Moses2SandyKoufax Dec 2012 #35

Obama hasn't shown any desire to take away gun right. His one act in this area was to bluestate10 Dec 2012 #56

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healthcare BainsBane Dec 2012 #17

I suggest you take time to do some critical thinking upaloopa Dec 2012 #18

Its been a long time HonEur12 Dec 2012 #24

That's the purpose of critical thinking. upaloopa Dec 2012 #30

A good source for the healthcare law BainsBane Dec 2012 #45

The purpose of the health care law is to reduce costs in the system and save the Government bluestate10 Dec 2012 #57

Hello.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #19

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birthcontrol BainsBane Dec 2012 #22

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no huts in the jungles BainsBane Dec 2012 #38

An answer to some of your questions. Selatius Dec 2012 #39

Fast and Furious BainsBane Dec 2012 #40

You shouldn't... You are a Republican. XRubicon Dec 2012 #41

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This is very good. HonEur12 Dec 2012 #47

it's not about making it a better business hfojvt Dec 2012 #53

I learned in college that businesses only pay taxes on gross income. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #60

I think you probablty meant "net" income hfojvt Dec 2012 #64

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You should not vote for Democrats. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #67

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A real response would go point by point, as I did. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #70

Why is it "punishment" to pay higher taxes when you earn more? treestar Dec 2012 #69

Sigh. HughBeaumont Dec 2012 #71

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