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mike_c

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52. it is not....

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 09:46 PM

Dec 2011

The DUer to whom I was replying lamented that those 97,000 people voted for Nader, and has expressed the wish that they not have his candidacy to cast their votes for.

The point is that those voters CHOSE the candidate they thought best represented their interests. That's democracy. That's the way it's supposed to work. Claiming that a candidate should not run because YOU or anyone else knows better than their choice at the ballot box is just about as anti-democratic as the worst self-serving republican one-percenter nonsense. People voted for Nader because the democratic party candidate was not good enough to earn their vote.

It wasn't Gore votes mistakenly cast for Nader that lost Florida. Never happened, no matter how hard some folks work to believe it.

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Ralph Nader appreciation thread. [View all] Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 OP

Thanks Ralph! nt Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #1

Amen. nt onehandle Dec 2011 #2

flame bait.... mike_c Dec 2011 #3

Agreed....but then the Nader-haters need no excuse AnOhioan Dec 2011 #5

I don't hate him. Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #7

Did he plan to run in 2012 and then bowed out? Did I miss something? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2011 #74

Considering the number of "Primary Obama now" threads floating around, I think it's a fair post. brooklynite Dec 2011 #77

For pointing out his responsibility for the Bush administration? TheWraith Dec 2011 #8

He was not responsible AnOhioan Dec 2011 #14

they sure don't seem to want to blame Jeb and Harris, or acknowledge that 2000 was a coup MisterP Dec 2011 #19

And infinite denial doesn't change the fact: without Nader we wouldn't have had Bush. TheWraith Dec 2011 #26

tough shit.. frylock Dec 2011 #30

was it worth it to you? nt dionysus Dec 2011 #33

take it up with the 300000 registered DEMOCRATS in FL that voted for bush frylock Dec 2011 #45

Oh Snap! LiberalLovinLug Dec 2011 #80

+1 ellisonz Dec 2011 #38

It can be aruged that he only made Florida easier to steal. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #75

he sure as hell shares some responsibilty. he's not the bebbe jesus, he's an egotistical douche who dionysus Dec 2011 #32

Oh , bullshit. Webster Green Dec 2011 #51

Agreed n/t zappaman Dec 2011 #57

And everyone forgets the votes deflected by the thought of Lieberman as POTUS. n/t Mnemosyne Dec 2011 #60

Very true. zappaman Dec 2011 #62

I know many dems here that could not stomach Lieberman and did not feel Mnemosyne Dec 2011 #87

+1 deutsey Dec 2011 #66

thanks G_j Dec 2011 #70

I would appreciate him even more if he ran for President of Neptune. nt TheWraith Dec 2011 #4

I also appreciate Nader Autumn Dec 2011 #6

Without Nader, there would have been no Supreme Court case. TheWraith Dec 2011 #9

that is utter non-sense.... mike_c Dec 2011 #17

It's the facts. Without Nader, there would have been no court case. TheWraith Dec 2011 #23

so you want to deny those 97,000 people their birthright to vote for the candidate of their choice.. mike_c Dec 2011 #37

that's a strawman and you know it. dionysus Dec 2011 #39

it is not.... mike_c Dec 2011 #52

+1 zeos3 Dec 2011 #54

Check New Hampshire's outcome Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #46

And his legacy now includes President Bush's legacy, including Citizens United. libinnyandia Dec 2011 #18

I agree. Unfortunately the man today has little in common with the man back then. TheWraith Dec 2011 #25

You and I will disagree on that. Autumn Dec 2011 #22

Doesn't change the fact that Nader helped create the Bush administration. TheWraith Dec 2011 #24

Or SOS Dec 2011 #83

without voting this would never have happened.. frylock Dec 2011 #31

strawman. if you're going to sabotage elections, own up to the consequences. dionysus Dec 2011 #40

nader had every right to run for president.. frylock Dec 2011 #47

How did Nader "sabotage the elections"? zappaman Dec 2011 #58

sabotage in that he knew where he'd be peeling votes from... in that he promised not to campaign dionysus Dec 2011 #64

We could have lost Florida if Ralph had kept his promise and not competed in close states... Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #49

Ditto. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #10

You could have saved me a facepalm. Xipe Totec Dec 2011 #11

Naderites... -_- chrisa Dec 2011 #12

Second Nader thread that makes me miss quinnox Dec 2011 #13

you had enough interest to post in one. dionysus Dec 2011 #34

I figure right about now former President Gore would be dedicating his library bluestateguy Dec 2011 #15

I know that's right! George Glass Dec 2011 #16

i hope you enjoyed your brief visit to DU. sleep well, sweet prince. dionysus Dec 2011 #35

did you go run tell mommy? frylock Dec 2011 #82

you may grieve for your TSed troll friend as you wish. dionysus Dec 2011 #84

i'm all broke up frylock Dec 2011 #85

Now why would you say something like that? Seriously. DevonRex Dec 2011 #86

Agreed. I wonder if, at some level, Nader himself agrees. Jim Lane Dec 2011 #20

whew lillypaddle Dec 2011 #21

I appreciate that he's not running, too. MineralMan Dec 2011 #27

i like it. dionysus Dec 2011 #28

I thank him for his great work on auto safety Generic Brad Dec 2011 #29

he did some good before he went around the bend. now he thinks bloomberg should be president. sad. dionysus Dec 2011 #36

I was just thinking of him today when I was putting on my seatbelt. Thanks, Ralph. The Wielding Truth Dec 2011 #41

What in the fuck is with the Nader obsession on DU? SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #42

agree, quinnox Dec 2011 #44

nader derangement syndrome frylock Dec 2011 #48

hell yes!! BootinUp Dec 2011 #43

Funny, though...the same people claiming we have "Nader Derangement Syndrome" -a term I first heard Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #50

and when exactly can we criticize or ask the president we voted for for more without you guys waving yurbud Dec 2011 #53

Criticize away! Hey, I'm not happy with the accomplishments to date, either. The difference is, Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #63

First of all, who ever felt inspired to vote for Gore? jerseyjack Dec 2011 #55

OK It has been 12 years now Eliminator Dec 2011 #56

They were 12 long, very destructive years. Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #65

Time doesn't enter into it. ChadwickHenryWard Dec 2011 #79

i believe they would stole the election with or without Nader sasha031 Dec 2011 #59

Watch the footage of jr. & family the night of the election - no sweat at all, complete confidence. Mnemosyne Dec 2011 #88

amen DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #61

Thanks Ralph! n/t unionworks Dec 2011 #67

Aha! Great. Wish I could rec it more than once. nt mistertrickster Dec 2011 #68

I heard Ralph Nader speak way back in 1972. I thought then that it was "all about Ralph" yellowcanine Dec 2011 #69

I imagine that fewer candidates on any given ballot LanternWaste Dec 2011 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Dec 2011 #78

I'll drink to that wryter2000 Dec 2011 #72

Should I wander into this minefield? a2liberal Dec 2011 #73

Lol and may it stay that way n/t azurnoir Dec 2011 #76

He's a decent guy........... AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #81