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In reply to the discussion: GLOBAL EXTINCTION WITHIN ONE HUMAN LIFETIME? [View all]NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)131. We wont even have temperatures that support photosynthesis in the US breadbasket
A projection of die-off/displacement based on IPCC of the hottest regions puts the number at potentially 3 billion by 2100. Now, that could be incredibly optimistic if the IPCC keeps moving back the warming goalposts (as is expected).
I can grant you that this scenario is at least somewhat different; we could perhaps see some better growing conditions in Canada and Russia as a tradeoff
The further north you travel, the worse the soil can get (which isn't good because we are depleting the potash reserves already). I have no doubt the Canadian government would whore out crown land to industrialized farm corporations (we see what they are doing to the oil sands) but the yields may be less than spectacular the further north they grow. Besides, average temperature and regional temperature are two different things. We don't know that a warming world will create optimal growing conditions in Saskatchewan for example, or that Saskatchewan's winters wouldn't still be harsh or even harsher. Remember, winters in California aren't too bad, but they get an hour more of daylight--at least--than many Canadian regions (and vice-versa in the summer). But this could really diminish the ability to produce winter crops if they are all moved up north.
BTW, did you know a lot of good farmland in Sask. is already farmed? Moving our best farmland in the breadbasket to what is left in Canada might not be so pleasant. Just saying. Check out picture below I found on NYT (notice difference in land size):

Ok, so what land will be viable for staple crops in 2100 to feed 8-11 billion people?
And thats another interesting feedback loop....not only would a ton of land lose its ability to sequester carbon from the equatorial regions and out, but any new farmland development would require a major release of carbon and less carbon sequestering potential. Mankind would, in this instance, be creating their own feedback based on the changing climate. The carbon released from developing that amount of land would be insane (decades of fossil fuel burning probably to replace the breadbasket's acres). Some of that land is occupied by massive, ancient forests, like the tar sand land was
I would be interested in seeing this fully modeled with all the other data (the carbon release from moving farmlands and developing new logistical routes for food transport).
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End of 2011, methane gas surfacing caused "holes" in the sea surface kilometers across
BelgianMadCow
Dec 2012
#5
there are huge swatches of land area that putting solar on wouldn't harm food production at all
NMDemDist2
Dec 2012
#19
they're still viable ecosystems-- converting them to solar farms would destroy them....
mike_c
Dec 2012
#32
Welcome to DU, Dennis! My name is Patrice. & I think working the odds makes very rational sense.
patrice
Dec 2012
#58
If 70% of land vertebrates go extinct, humans will almost certainly be in the 30%
Silent3
Dec 2012
#22
The only hyperbole I'm talking about is the use of the word "extinction" is regards to humans
Silent3
Dec 2012
#44
They had 100,000 years to reshuffle their genes and adapt via natural selection
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#79
The word extinction is not hyperbole when used to describe the state of the natural world.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2012
#100
So the fact that you only know one limitation on phytoplankton makes you an expert?
jeff47
Dec 2012
#110
"We don't know the lower threshold for a viable population. It's probably somewhere between a dozen"
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#67
And intelligence means humans "evolve" much, much faster than natural evolution.
jeff47
Dec 2012
#57
It means we do not really evolve at all, as we have removed ourselves from the natural system
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#60
As you mentioned earlier, it only takes 12 of us inbreeding in a dome to carry on
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#68
We wont even have temperatures that support photosynthesis in the US breadbasket
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#131
That graph seems more than a little too pessimistic to even be partly realistic, TBH.
AverageJoe90
Dec 2012
#141
It'd be funny if it weren't so painful that the End-Timers are right, just not in the particular
patrice
Dec 2012
#52
Yes. Gore would have made a difference. Enough? Who knows, but it would have been better.
The Wielding Truth
Dec 2012
#73
Drought: an old movie that left a VERY deep mark on me was The Man Who Fell to Earth. nt
patrice
Dec 2012
#56
I did a lot of work for the Rainforest Action Network in the late 80s.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2012
#72
Yes- 'cuz if we dont sign on to every piece of absurdist hyperbole, we dont care about the problem.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2012
#90
This is where we part ways. I think lying to people makes them tune it out.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2012
#95
I don't think presenting a possibility as a predetermined outcome is an equivilent to a "lie"
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#96
Not trying to be snarky, but you're using the internet right now, right?
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2012
#104
It IS indeed, very much absurdist hyperbole, and that's being a tad polite, IMHO.
AverageJoe90
Dec 2012
#148
Re: "Being reminded WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! every other day accomplishes nothing."
AverageJoe90
Dec 2012
#117
Which to me possibly explains maybe a little something about Citizens United. nt
patrice
Dec 2012
#54
and then we have reports from DOHA about the US refusing to decarbonise further
BelgianMadCow
Dec 2012
#86
People have been predicting "GLOBAL EXTINCTION" within their lifetime for thousands of years...
cbdo2007
Dec 2012
#121
It's irrational that it will happen at all....but narcissistic that we will witness it.
cbdo2007
Dec 2012
#132