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jberryhill

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89. I posted two references on retail robbery risk

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:31 AM

Dec 2012

Using consolidated stats for "victims" of all crimes is patently stupid for the purpose of assessing the risk of action in retail robberies. When a convenience store is robbed, the "victim" is not the clerk in the first place - it is the retail establishment.

The first publication I cited includes a number of references analyzing data specific to retail store robberies.

You are now, I gather, an industrial safety expert, since you can eyeball a set of irrelevant data to refute actual analyses.

There is freedom of religion in this country, and you are entitled to your uninformed faith. I only become concerned when people with actual authority over anything use their faith as a guide to actually setting policy for others. There is no risk of that here, so your faith is harmless.

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Air Force Veteran foils robbery.. Then fired for it. [View all] letemrot Dec 2012 OP

As I have seen repeatedly, it is foolish to go out on a limb for an employer. Lasher Dec 2012 #1

This becomes more and more apparent.. letemrot Dec 2012 #3

Large corporations have made themselves the enemy. I would never go out of my way for a large RKP5637 Dec 2012 #5

love how you lump all employers into one category. As a small business owner who employs a few KittyWampus Dec 2012 #85

Sorry, I was thinking more of the larger corporations wherein I spent my life RKP5637 Dec 2012 #98

Anymore you do what you think is the right thing and it's the wrong thing ... and the RKP5637 Dec 2012 #2

As a CCW permit holder, I say he should have been fired obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #4

His manager thanked him for saving his life letemrot Dec 2012 #6

What he did goes 100% armed robbery training obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #7

And if he had did nothing.. letemrot Dec 2012 #8

Robbers aren't terribly interested in upgrading their crime unnecessarily. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #9

I get that.. letemrot Dec 2012 #10

The robber asker for money, he didn't try to change their location obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13

Their money or.. (fill in the blank) X_Digger Dec 2012 #14

Holding a gun does not prevent you from asking for the money. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #15

Would you feel just as inclined to say no to someone brandishing a firearm as any other panhandler? X_Digger Dec 2012 #16

My likely answer doesn't prevent them from asking. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #20

It's not "asking" if there's an implied threat- the "or your life" part. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #31

Yes, it is asking. I could always chose to accept the threat. jeff47 Dec 2012 #35

*sigh* see reply #19. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #36

I guess I'll just repeat myself. jeff47 Dec 2012 #42

He asked for the money, you know what I mean obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #17

Yes, he demanded, threatened, etc. "Asked" makes it sound civil. Armed robbery isn't civil. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #19

You don't get it -- what he did is a huge no-no obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #12

You are right.. I don't get it. letemrot Dec 2012 #18

He also risked lives jeff47 Dec 2012 #21

I'd be curious to see those stats.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #30

I have no idea what statistics are being quoted, but from pure common sense, Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #38

Economics drives this policy as it does with all others sarisataka Dec 2012 #44

You do not take into account Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #49

Still a lower sum sarisataka Dec 2012 #55

Being robbed itsn't the same as being abducted obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #108

I agree with the difference sarisataka Dec 2012 #113

My pessimistic guess? It's cheaper to pay off employees' families than risk a lawsuit. X_Digger Dec 2012 #46

Rewire. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #51

Yep, seriously. X_Digger Dec 2012 #61

What you say is truth letemrot Dec 2012 #94

Exactly, Ruby -- money and product isn't worth it obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #109

Training I've received from several retailers jeff47 Dec 2012 #41

I've seen such handbooks, but it was just quoted as common wisdom, not statistics. X_Digger Dec 2012 #47

If you don't believe insurance companies run on statistics jberryhill Dec 2012 #50

Quite honestly, with my 2+ decades in finance Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #54

What I always find interesting in this "set piece" jberryhill Dec 2012 #60

It says Air Force Veteran because, I pulled it from a Veteran site letemrot Dec 2012 #81

No, it would not change my mind jberryhill Dec 2012 #84

You keep saying he painted a target letemrot Dec 2012 #97

Retail Managers and Bank Teller have more training and experience obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #110

So you don't have a source, either? Someone has to have it, somewhere.. c'mon. X_Digger Dec 2012 #64

That is not specific to retail robbery jberryhill Dec 2012 #68

Hence my asking for more detailed stats. *sigh* X_Digger Dec 2012 #69

Insurance company stats are proprietary jberryhill Dec 2012 #71

So an appeal to authority? *tsk* *tsk* *tsk* X_Digger Dec 2012 #77

Here, you are still wrong... jberryhill Dec 2012 #72

Data from 1996.. NCVS is more recent (2011) X_Digger Dec 2012 #75

Then it's not fucking relevant jberryhill Dec 2012 #78

It may be relevant.. see the other reply.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #80

There is an entire literature on the specific subject jberryhill Dec 2012 #82

I've not found anything specific in the literature.. maybe it's *proprietary* (aka, just trust me) X_Digger Dec 2012 #83

I posted two references on retail robbery risk jberryhill Dec 2012 #89

You don't have to be an "industrial safety expert" to read a study.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #102

I was provided statistics. I was not interested in retaining them for years so that jeff47 Dec 2012 #117

Ot is SOP for banking, retail, etc: you don;t confront obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #107

*nod* I know it's SOP, but I thought he had a source for the stats quoted. X_Digger Dec 2012 #114

This robber apparently didn't read the supposed statistics AlexSatan Dec 2012 #56

So you'd prefer to make the corpses yourself then? jeff47 Dec 2012 #67

You mean like in the case in the OP? You know, the one we're discussing? Hehe.. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #70

Meteors strike every single person on the planet jeff47 Dec 2012 #101

About once a week someone posts a news piece.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #105

Sorry, I don't pretend to read minds AlexSatan Dec 2012 #103

In the Air Force? jberryhill Dec 2012 #66

Wrong AlexSatan Dec 2012 #104

The guy just asked for money, he should not have been confronted obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #106

Good points. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #32

"If he had did" Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #24

Apparently I done wrote that. <-see I poke fun at myself letemrot Dec 2012 #33

Already posted 'em, champ. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #40

I'm sorry? letemrot Dec 2012 #43

Citizens running amok with their CCW Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #48

Really? letemrot Dec 2012 #52

Read your own OP, Sparky. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #57

I just re-read it letemrot Dec 2012 #73

Where did that happen? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #59

then at least you didn't cause it and the deaths are not on your head. TeamPooka Dec 2012 #45

I'm ambivalent.. you have to be there. X_Digger Dec 2012 #11

Nicely put. I also expect whatever insurance they carry Robb Dec 2012 #22

Excellent example Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #26

There is a reason for that policy & you should take your pseudo-macho vigilantism elsewhere Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #23

Things DIDN'T go south AlexSatan Dec 2012 #62

Yeah, Fuck Science! jberryhill Dec 2012 #76

He wanted to be a cowboy, and was lucky as hell someone didn't die obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #118

He may have prevented someone from dying AlexSatan Dec 2012 #126

lol obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #132

They have their policy for a reason gollygee Dec 2012 #25

Guy's a hero for standing up for what is right, for saying, "no, you can't do that." Skip Intro Dec 2012 #27

I hope you are correct letemrot Dec 2012 #37

He'll need to inform his next employer of the reason he was terminated when asked. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #92

There would have been cries to pillory him obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #119

Doing the moral thing doesn't always lead to good consequences. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #28

I think this is the response that sums it up the best. letemrot Dec 2012 #34

"..ran out to my truck, grabbed my weapon, came back and confronted the guy..." cleanhippie Dec 2012 #29

Well my grammar would suggest I am in fact letemrot Dec 2012 #39

You sir are 100% correct! My CCW trainer said the same thing! Logical Dec 2012 #58

As did mine obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #121

+1 obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #120

My guess is that the Autozone insurance company forbids armed employees as a liability issue just Purveyor Dec 2012 #53

It makes every other employee a target jberryhill Dec 2012 #63

Possibly removed just such a target letemrot Dec 2012 #87

Bless you, brother, for your faith jberryhill Dec 2012 #90

Then don't hire a Vet letemrot Dec 2012 #93

I will consider your advice jberryhill Dec 2012 #95

Well... if you give such explicit instructions letemrot Dec 2012 #96

Beacuse service members are taught to take the orders and follow SOP obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #123

Actually letemrot Dec 2012 #128

Oh, vets do not act like that obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #122

Well your relatives letemrot Dec 2012 #129

This story comes up about once a year... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #65

AutoZone has been recognized as one of the 10 worst companies to work for: AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #74

The guy has probably been hoping for a chance to grab his gun for years. Hoyt Dec 2012 #79

And what, pray tell, do you base that judgement from? letemrot Dec 2012 #86

My long time knowledge of those who tote, and why. Hoyt Dec 2012 #88

I think that he had the weapon for self defense, and used it in just such a manner. letemrot Dec 2012 #91

He did NOT use it in self defense obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #125

Really? letemrot Dec 2012 #130

Yes, really obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #131

I'm not a CCW holder letemrot Dec 2012 #133

I usually diagree with Hoyt, but I agree with him here obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #124

you're right, I see him driving around dark parking lots, looking for shady characters.. snooper2 Dec 2012 #116

At one chain where I worked, Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #99

and he should have been fired for it. CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #100

Veteran or not he violated company policy rustydog Dec 2012 #111

I would have fired him. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #112

Good: he deserved to be fired. No guns means no guns. If he was truly a "law abiding apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #115

Here is the problem with "heros"... Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #127