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JDPriestly

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27. Whether Manning is unfit for trial is not the issue.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:12 AM
Dec 2012

It is about what the treatment of Manning in prison says about the moral state of the leadership of our country and whether Manning's trial could be more than just a kangaroo court.

The real issue is not Manning's mental incompetency but the Obama administration's moral incompetency and whether that incompetency is so extreme that it makes a fair trial impossible.

It is immoral to place a small, relatively weak young man like Manning in a tiny cell, 8 by 8, force him to strip naked, require him to ask for toilet paper and demean him in numerous other ways, allow him to see only 20 minutes of sunlight a day and then in chains -- when he poses no physical threat to anyone. It is cruel and unusual punishment and for a man who has not yet been convicted of anything. I have read that lack of sunlight and vitamin D in and of itself can cause serious illness and physical problems.

If you have ever read the book The Shock Doctrine or any literature on brainwashing techniques or the shock torture used in experiments by people commissioned by our military in the 1960s (according to news reports about the torture of prisoners under the Bush administration), then you will recognize that the kind of sensory deprivation that Manning has been subjected to can lead to memory loss and confusion.

Sensory deprivation may even be a means to try to reconstruct a person's memories -- to change testimony perhaps?

To rely on the testimony of a prisoner who has been subjected to the torture of sensory deprivation about any memory that could have been "reconstructed" in his mind should not be permitted in any kind of court.

The military has made such a mess of the Manning case. There is probably no way that he can ever get a fair trial or that we will be able to find out what really happened in the case. There appears to be a major cover-up that has created a suspicion or possibility of subornation of perjury. We will never know for sure, and if you can't know for sure, there should be no trial. Any trial that would be held at this time, after so much pre-trial sensory deprivation and humiliation would appear to the world to be a sham and an injustice.

It isn't a matter of Manning's sanity but rather of tampering with the evidence, meaning his memory, and therefore with his testimony.

A kangaroo court.

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I believe that although Manning has serious mental problems, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #1
If he didn't have mental issues prior to his treatment by his beloved military, he teddy51 Dec 2012 #2
He should have never had access to classified info to begin with, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4
Did You Know... That They Had Passwords On Sticky-Notes In Those "Secure" Areas ??? WillyT Dec 2012 #6
His ranking shouldn't have allowed him anywhere near classified info, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #11
What do you mean his ranking shouldn't have DevonRex Dec 2012 #20
Not his ranking, but he shouldn't have even held any rank that allowed access to classified info. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #46
Look up the definition of rank as it pertains DevonRex Dec 2012 #49
You might have been able to make your point Ken Burch Dec 2012 #21
+10 nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #24
It wasn't an insult. There is nothing insulting or humiliating about that. It is a job with benefits JaneyVee Dec 2012 #45
Even the psychiatrist agreed those are the facts nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #3
He should not be deemed mentally fit for trial. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #5
Some here don't see the problem either nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #8
He received care. Four psychiatrists declared him fit and recommended his inhumane treatment end. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #9
No, I'm talking about threatening his step-mother with a butcher knife in 2006, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #12
None of those translate being mentally unfit for trial. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #15
Sounds like you're already to line the guy up for the firing squad. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #22
Not at all. Not only do I think he shouldn't be lined up for a firing squad, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #48
Apparently I've misunderstood your intent, then. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #50
Whether Manning is unfit for trial is not the issue. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #27
I agree. But what do you mean here: Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #32
The torture itself appears to me to be an attempt to confuse Manning so as to JDPriestly Dec 2012 #54
His treatment in Kuwait was really OTT...and thanks for posting about it. KoKo Dec 2012 #33
What "mental" problems would those be. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #10
Here's Willy T link for a good summary: JaneyVee Dec 2012 #13
What that reveals is that he was not a good candidate for the military... Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #16
That was my earlier point. It was a bad judgement call by the military & commanding officer. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #47
How have YOU determined that he has mental health problems????????????? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #17
K&R for Glenn Greenwald MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #7
K&R n/t defacto7 Dec 2012 #14
Wondering how many other emotionally damaged iindividuals, in trouble with the military, or patrice Dec 2012 #18
It isn't that Manning is so much more deserving. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #28
Thank you. Lucinda Dec 2012 #31
A wonderful post. Thnak you. Thank you. Thank you. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #51
I don't think journalist/lawyer Greenwald qualifies as "Celebrity Association," though. KoKo Dec 2012 #36
100% agree. He bit the hand that fed him to become a star. graham4anything Dec 2012 #42
As much as so many of us might wish it were otherwise, being in the military is NOT the same patrice Dec 2012 #44
It was Greenwald who broke the news of Mannings treatment which sparked Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #53
We fight dirty. 7wo7rees Dec 2012 #19
This is a Hero. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #23
FDR had Manzanar, Clinton had Ricky Rae Rector, Obama has Manning - what's a little coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #25
The guy and Ronald Reagan one and the same. If I were juror #8-guilty. 1st degree.Each. graham4anything Dec 2012 #26
"the only liberty lost is the one Manning attempted to take from America." marmar Dec 2012 #35
so if someone robbed your car, you are saying another should rob your neighbors? graham4anything Dec 2012 #37
We asked for his help Hydra Dec 2012 #39
Now he is wasting MY tax dollars. I did not ask him. Dreyfuss he ain't. graham4anything Dec 2012 #41
He isn't wasting your tax dollars Hydra Dec 2012 #43
Aldridge Ames: A Tale Of Liberty Lost In America whistler162 Dec 2012 #29
knr Lucinda Dec 2012 #30
k/r marmar Dec 2012 #34
Aiding the enemy? Octafish Dec 2012 #38
That would assume we have a democracy Hydra Dec 2012 #40
If only 1/10th of the outrage against Manning. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #52
I'm sorry, but Manning's cries of "torture" NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #55
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