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Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
31. Have we learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse scandal?
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:19 PM
Dec 2012

Notre Dame Football: The Lizzy Seeberg Case and Poor Reporting
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The Chicago Tribune was the first to bring the story to light, seeking comment from Brian Kelly several times about the incident. And, according to David Haugh of the Tribune, the player should be removed from the playing field.

Per Haugh: "A guy who can discipline a player for missing a meeting should have the autonomy to bench a player accused of what could be a felony in the real world. The player is innocent until proven guilty, to be sure. But football coaches, especially those of the most famous college football program in America, rarely deal in due process."

Does that make sense to anyone?

"The player is innocent until proven guilty... but football coaches rarely deal in due process."

So he is presumed innocent but coaches don't always follow that logic. So he should be singled out and suspended, presumed guilty until the investigation's facts come to light?

Have we learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse scandal?

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

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And were ND and authorities covering up the sexual assualt or following the law on privacy...

Haugh goes on to refer to Kelly's tone in his press conference; the fact that the University and police have kept the investigation private (bound by federal law), and Notre Dame having "lost the benefit of the doubt when it sent [Declan] Sullivan up in a scissors lift on an extraordinarily windy day" as his evidence that the university is doing something wrong and involved in a cover up.

It's just astonishing reporting from one of the traditionally sound newspapers out of Chicago.

The facts are starting to come out in the case, but will certainly be few in number until the investigation is complete. St. Joseph County Police and their SVU—both investigating the case with the ND police—were notified of the alleged sexual assault (Haugh stated they were unaware, which was incorrect).

And as noted above, Notre Dame is bound by the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) which prohibits universities from publicly discussing specific disciplinary cases.

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Gee I remember when the University of Alabama allowed boosters to provide prostitutes for Larkspur Dec 2012 #1
You don't think ND would cover up a sexual assault? Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #2
Even if they tried to cover up any crime, they can't control everything Larkspur Dec 2012 #30
Please. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #36
There cannot be rape convictions without charges. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #3
"Depression is a main cause of suicide" And how do you even know this young yellowcanine Dec 2012 #7
Maybe because that person is basing it on other articles and not joeybee12 Dec 2012 #9
I don't hate Notre Dame. I do hate cover ups of sexual assault. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #13
Yeah you do...this is one article of many... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #14
Of course you know me so you know better what I hate than what I do. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #20
Every article about ND isn't a hatchet job, Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #21
I have two favorite college football teams: The Univ. of Michigan Wolverines… MrScorpio Dec 2012 #4
Sour grapes from fans of second rate schools. joeybee12 Dec 2012 #5
Because of this ^^^^^ WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #6
I got into Holy Cross... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #8
Thanks for that.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #23
Loved that link, Will! hifiguy Dec 2012 #28
Melinda Henneberger is a Notre Dame alum. Nice try. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #10
Nice to know you know absolutely nothing about due process... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #11
What part of "due process" is served by bad mouthing a suicide victim? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #15
"The President was not there." yellowcanine Dec 2012 #19
One more thing, the articles alleges there were texts... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #12
There was no court of law because there were no charges. Pathetic yourself. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #17
What about the women who falsely accused the Duke Lacrosse team of rape? Larkspur Dec 2012 #48
I'm a Notre Dame alumna and strongly disagree with her Larkspur Dec 2012 #40
She clearly researched both cases. It was not a shoddy hit piece. Name one incorrect statement in yellowcanine Dec 2012 #45
Yes it was a shoddy column. Larkspur Dec 2012 #47
But you still haven't named one incorrect statement. So how is it shoddy? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #50
Wow!! Arrogant much? Ishoutandscream2 Dec 2012 #16
See post #6. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #18
Any Vanderbilt alums who happen by KamaAina Dec 2012 #33
I wish they would both lose ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #22
Well one is going to win unless the game is cancelled. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #24
Notre Dame is no different.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #25
Lou Holtz.....ancient history, though. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #26
I'm fully aware of that ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #27
Yes, there is history but that doesn't mean a lot to the current team. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #29
Have we learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse scandal? Larkspur Dec 2012 #31
And have we learned nothing from the Penn State Sandusky scandal? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #35
And there was no cover-up, and there was no rape. Larkspur Dec 2012 #39
The alleged rape was the second victim. Seeberg did not allege rape. You are obfuscating by yellowcanine Dec 2012 #44
No, I'm not obfuscating. Some shoddy writers call Seeberg's case rape because Larkspur Dec 2012 #49
"SOME shoddy writers" But not this writer (Melinda). So why bring it up here? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #51
I don't see much of a similarity between the two cases so far. pnwmom Dec 2012 #55
Here's another article on this incident... Larkspur Dec 2012 #32
Most of this does not address Melinda's allegations. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #34
Those issues were all addressed but ND haters want a scandal even if there isn't one Larkspur Dec 2012 #38
"Those issues were all addressed...." And why then are ND officials conducting a whispering yellowcanine Dec 2012 #43
What campaign against the women who died? Larkspur Dec 2012 #46
The one mentioned by Melinda from her personal experience. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #52
Oh, you mean that made-up campaign Larkspur Dec 2012 #53
Again with the assertions but not one example of an inaccurate statement in this particular column. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #54
Concerning cases of this sort ... radicalliberal Dec 2012 #56
WaPo writer *shocked* that big-time NCAA program covers up player crime... Blue_Tires Dec 2012 #37
Because school sports have been a sacred cow in this country for generations. radicalliberal Dec 2012 #57
It wasn't rape. It was investigated by the county prosecutor and no charges filed. Mr. Blue Sky Dec 2012 #41
There were two alleged victims. One was sexual assault. The other was rape. Why do ND boosters yellowcanine Dec 2012 #42
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