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rampartd

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29. i earned more in my retirement as a bartender than i ever did as a engineer.

Sun Aug 11, 2024, 02:56 PM

Aug 2024

but without health care from my "real job" that would have been impossible.

these proposals to exempt tip income are being thrown as "free stuff" to the rubes.

the gratuities that will go untaxable are the "tips" recieved by the supreme justices and such from their benefactors.

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The federal government should tax all income no matter the source. [View all] Jacson6 Aug 2024 OP

because an office worker earns more than a server? speak easy Aug 2024 #1

That's the point of having a progressive tax code. VMA131Marine Aug 2024 #56

I've been both a waiter and an office worker. yardwork Aug 2024 #2

They do get full minimum wage, barring all-too-common wage theft unblock Aug 2024 #6

In Right To Work states and many states, ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2024 #36

Federal law. Employers are supposed to bring it up to full minimum wage if tips don't cover it. unblock Aug 2024 #39

A majority ofthe RTW states are Republican led. ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2024 #42

Right to work laws aren't the problem moose65 Aug 2024 #82

i earned more in my retirement as a bartender than i ever did as a engineer. rampartd Aug 2024 #29

Bartenders make 6 figures? Dave says Aug 2024 #33

location, location, location rampartd Aug 2024 #43

Why should I pay tax on my SS. I paid FICA doc03 Aug 2024 #3

as i understand it rampartd Aug 2024 #30

SSA is an federal government insurance payment, but if you have wage income over $18k while on SSA... Jacson6 Aug 2024 #79

I worked nearly 50 years and was on strike for 1 1/2 years in total to even doc03 Aug 2024 #93

All? sarisataka Aug 2024 #4

And don't forget military retirement benefits. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #5

How about make the employer pay it since they are skimping on real wages JCMach1 Aug 2024 #7

With tips, my thinking is: if you want to officially tax me... Beartracks Aug 2024 #8

The IRS requires all types of income be declared MichMan Aug 2024 #19

Most billionaires don't have income lapfog_1 Aug 2024 #51

They also pay themselves by borrowing against Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #57

This confuses me too. Getting involved moonscape Aug 2024 #9

To be fair, tax Capital Gains as regular income. multigraincracker Aug 2024 #37

That would have to apply to everyone. former9thward Aug 2024 #91

Fine, as long as it's is graduated so the rich pay a multigraincracker Aug 2024 #92

Yes, tax every professional sports player and entertainer making $1 million or more at a 90% rate. MichMan Aug 2024 #96

Just like when America was great. multigraincracker Aug 2024 #98

Minimum wage earners do not pay federal taxes former9thward Aug 2024 #99

Tips are gifts from the person being served... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #10

I don't think that really works because that screws the person on SS later. pat_k Aug 2024 #14

But I think itcs important to keep these things honest... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #16

They are "gifts" that have been leveraged to allow lower pay to tipped workers. pat_k Aug 2024 #23

I agree. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #26

Wouldn't it easier to just pay them a living wage. Bev54 Aug 2024 #17

YES!!! Think. Again. Aug 2024 #18

That is how it is in Canada, they get at least minimum wage and in the cities much more if you are good Bev54 Aug 2024 #22

I always tip in cash too... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #25

I've heard stories about people not having enough SS income in later years because they never reported cash income MichMan Aug 2024 #35

I prefer to leave their choice to them. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #40

Agreed, some people never plan for retirement. Sad MichMan Aug 2024 #45

Yes, some people don't have that luxury. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #46

Yes. But changing the entrenched mechanics of tipped work would. . . pat_k Aug 2024 #21

It is literally done in most western countries around the world. Bev54 Aug 2024 #24

Agreed. So is national health care. pat_k Aug 2024 #28

No, they are not. Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #48

Tips are not a required payment for the service you recieve... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #54

If that is true, then why are traditionally tipped employees permitted to be paid a far lower minimum wage? Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #59

Obviously, employers are allowed to pay their workers less because... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #64

Then I'll just stop leaving tips, Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #67

That would be rude... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #68

My response is the same as I made to my spouse when she suggested I just stop working when I hit 40 hours a week - Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #69

That's why paying overtime is mandatory. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #70

Not for salaried workers. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #71

Yes, that's true, IF the salaried worker is in a well-defined management position. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #72

I was an exempt employee. Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #85

And I greatly admire your position on that... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #86

I just want the cost of that fair, livable wage to be included in the price of the goods and services. Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #88

I'm sure the employers will insist on that. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #89

Many salaried positions Zeitghost Aug 2024 #78

Mine wasn't. Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #84

Could ease tax burden on tip income pat_k Aug 2024 #11

How many cash tips currently go unreported ? MichMan Aug 2024 #13

Absolutely. pat_k Aug 2024 #15

Which means those workers aren't building social security benefits. yardwork Aug 2024 #20

I'm not saying we can't go in that direction. pat_k Aug 2024 #32

They are the ones deciding to avoid reporting income and thus evading taxes. MichMan Aug 2024 #34

That's so dismissive of people who are really struggling. yardwork Aug 2024 #38

How do you know they are all struggling? MichMan Aug 2024 #44

50th percentile $32,000; 90th percentile $60,000 pat_k Aug 2024 #73

I suggested a $50 per hour minimum wage in post #12 MichMan Aug 2024 #75

I think our problem as Dems is an ... pat_k Aug 2024 #81

Some numbers. And yes a vast majority are struggling. pat_k Aug 2024 #74

I suspect that a majority of tipped workers don't have much pat_k Aug 2024 #41

How about just fixing the wage and income system for all similarly paid workers Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #49

Of course. But in the meantime... pat_k Aug 2024 #58

In the meantime is the problem. Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #62

The only point on which I think we differ pat_k Aug 2024 #80

That is a significant point, though. Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #87

Agreed, a very significant difference. pat_k Aug 2024 #90

As to this issue, I didn't think creating a greater inequity between similarly situated workers Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #94

Point taken pat_k Aug 2024 #95

Seems like the same points were made by those opposing student loan forgiveness MichMan Aug 2024 #97

Only after mimimum wage is raised to $50 per hour MichMan Aug 2024 #12

I agree with the OP. JohnSJ Aug 2024 #27

$10 Weekly allowance? lame54 Aug 2024 #31

I don't under stand what you mean. n/t Jacson6 Aug 2024 #47

Didn't your dad ever give you an allowance? lame54 Aug 2024 #52

That is a gift, which is taxable if it is over $14k. n/t Jacson6 Aug 2024 #77

The premise of this OP is ALL... lame54 Aug 2024 #83

Don't fight over this RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2024 #50

Why should billionaires pay no taxes? Because they create jobs and housing stock? bucolic_frolic Aug 2024 #53

This is one area where I think we should look at a sales tax ... Metaphorical Aug 2024 #55

What about Seniors (like me!) on moonscape Aug 2024 #60

This XanaDUer2 Aug 2024 #61

tips are gifts. WarGamer Aug 2024 #63

The server makes less than minimum wage. Iggo Aug 2024 #65

This no taxing of tips means Captain Zero Aug 2024 #66

More importantly stock options and no more forcing workers to be contractors JT45242 Aug 2024 #76