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wnylib

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97. I think that Elias is a good enough lawyer that he could argue
Mon Aug 12, 2024, 06:22 AM
Aug 2024

on behalf of the voters whose voting rights are specifically mentioned in constitutional amendments and protected by US Federal law. If state election officials refuse to certify an election, they are disenfranchising all the voters in the state who are protected under federal law and the constitution. Since that includes POC, all women, 18 year olds, and people with disabilities, it would likely be 50% or more of voters in the state. The only people not specifically mentioned in the constitution on voting rights are White males, although you might argue that by specifically setting the voting age at 18, any citizen 18 or over has a right to vote, just like any natural born citizen of 35 or older has the right to be president.

But, aside from voting rights, conspiring in advance of the election to not certify a state's election, as is happening among members of one party in other states besides Georgia, is a conspiracy to overthrow an election and the federal government. Add to that the fact that an organization affiliated with that party, the Heritage Foundation, has created a plan to dismantle the federal government, and a member of the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts, has stated that the foundation and the Republican candidates are bringing a revolution to the US that will be bloodless IF the left (the other party) allows it. That is a conspiracy to overthrow the US government, which is a federal felony.

So it looks like there are legal grounds to stop this political coup against the US, which could become a physical coup according to the warning from Kevin Roberts. This is the same party that already attempted a coup by physical force on J6.

I do not believe that the federal government is powerless to act against this insurrection. I do not believe that President Biden is willing to let it happen when he has taken an oath to protect and defend the constitution. Same applies to Democratic members of Congress (and maybe to some rational Republicans in Congress). The constitution is under imminent threat if the conspiracists carry out their plan to disrupt the election process in order to take over the government and dismantle it.





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Time to ready the DoD? KPN Aug 2024 #1
Only way to stop this is to signal to them now that our response Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #3
I have to agree, the DOJ needs to make strong public statements that they are prepared... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #10
Another way to stop this is to make sure EVERYBODY knows about it. calimary Aug 2024 #76
Great comment Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #78
Book readers Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #115
I'm now worried that this idea will spread to other State Election Boards liberalla Aug 2024 #87
Me too Rebl2 Aug 2024 #101
I'd be more surprised if other states didn't Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2024 #106
That sounds right. I agree -- as hard as it is to even imagine. KPN Aug 2024 #88
Fortunately the President can now act with official immunity Rstrstx Aug 2024 #8
This would indeed be the time to use that new power. n/t birdographer Aug 2024 #41
Good point. I'm sure Biden would do that. But KPN Aug 2024 #89
I like it. But will the DoJ and DoD go along? KPN Aug 2024 #90
That is not how that works Zeitghost Aug 2024 #110
Ok, so when he arrests people for not doing their job Rstrstx Aug 2024 #117
Possibly Zeitghost Aug 2024 #119
The Georgia law on this is contrary to federal law that protects the right to vote wnylib Aug 2024 #54
Good questions. I hope the organizational elements of our party are fully prepared to do so KPN Aug 2024 #91
I am very sure that President Biden is fully aware of what malarkey wnylib Aug 2024 #92
Yes, good point. I think and hope you are right. KPN Aug 2024 #93
American Bar Association 90-percent Aug 2024 #118
Yes. Yesterday, after my post, I saw video about wnylib Aug 2024 #120
Palast pointed out years ago that Bush's TEXAS got to purge FLORIDA voters. GreenWave Aug 2024 #2
Repug connected Choice Point purged Florida voters in 1999 and 2000 GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #64
Yeah Prepare.. And Head it OFF. Cha Aug 2024 #4
I have been trying to sound the alarm everywhere Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #7
I believe they will try it anyway. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #11
And, I Thank You for That.. Marc Elias is Fully Aware.. Cha Aug 2024 #18
The obvious way to overcome any such obstacles is DJ Synikus Makisimus Aug 2024 #5
Not if full state's votes aren't certified, or maybe even not tallied. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #12
Yep TommyT139 Aug 2024 #33
A clear violation of the federally guaranteed right to vote wnylib Aug 2024 #58
It didn't matter in 2000 GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #65
I remember that very well. I was following the reporting on that wnylib Aug 2024 #83
Writ of Mandamus time? no_hypocrisy Aug 2024 #6
Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #35
Say what? Since when is voting not a right guaranteed by federal law and the constitution? wnylib Aug 2024 #60
Here Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #61
You have read the rest of the link and not just the part that you copied wnylib Aug 2024 #79
We have no federal right to vote for President Zeitghost Aug 2024 #111
Of all the responses that I've had on this thread regarding the right to vote, wnylib Aug 2024 #114
In a state where the govt is red top to bottom... TommyT139 Aug 2024 #36
Not true. The constitution gives people the right to vote. wnylib Aug 2024 #62
Not according to Marc Elias (and many others) TommyT139 Aug 2024 #96
I think that Elias is a good enough lawyer that he could argue wnylib Aug 2024 #97
repug controlled SCOTUS took Florida's power away in 2000 GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #66
But that's the point. Certain officials are/will be refusing to do their duties no_hypocrisy Aug 2024 #94
Some of them haven't yet learned BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #9
That might work on reasonable people, so it probably won't work on this. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #14
It seemed to have a clarifying effect on many of them BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #17
Agree. This would be an assault on a Federal process. The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2024 #40
The States have a lot of power when it comes to elections Zeitghost Aug 2024 #112
Everything I have read says the whole thing depends on a 3 judge panel, a 3 judge panel Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #56
No repugs were prosecuted for 2000. GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #67
I think Marc Elias is on this. He is aware of it. SunSeeker Aug 2024 #13
Let's hope the DOJ isn't going to wait for civilians to handle this. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #15
Will the DOJ act with the same swiftness, focus and clarity of purpose misanthrope Aug 2024 #71
Ummm where TF is the DOJ? ecstatic Aug 2024 #19
Palast was wrong in 2016, 2020 and 2022, but he's still kicking the same ole can. If we vote, we win. Silent Type Aug 2024 #16
After what they were willing to do on Jan. 6, you really think everything is just fine? Think. Again. Aug 2024 #20
Yes. 2020 was the perfect opporunity to steal the election, they failed even at the Supreme Court level and in states Silent Type Aug 2024 #22
Merrick? Is that you? Think. Again. Aug 2024 #23
Coney-Barrett not on SCOTUS for all 2020 cases GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #72
Vote. Court ain't gonna change before election. It's a lot easier to steal when the vote is only 600 apart. Silent Type Aug 2024 #74
Florida 2000 teaches that voting isn't enough. GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #84
Unless someone loses the keys to the National Guard armory, there won't be another Jan 6 riot, Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #25
I think we all know that none of us can predict HOW their shit is going to go down.... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #26
I wish certain folks, not you, would READ the damn thing, GA has made it LEGAL for them Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #27
"If the majority of us POOH POOH this possibility the magats will have nothing to worry about." Frank D. Lincoln Aug 2024 #70
"We will not accept a coup" is what we need everyone on that side to hear Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #75
Agreed 100%. Frank D. Lincoln Aug 2024 #81
All Florida votes not counted in 2000 GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #68
It's a bit defeatist BannonsLiver Aug 2024 #105
The Georgia GOP planned monkey wrenching dobleremolque Aug 2024 #21
Exactly, people keep leaving that out obamanut2012 Aug 2024 #32
They can reject Fulton County only if they want, that is all they have to do to steal it. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #37
Congress is going to look different with zero reps from GA - no MTG! Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #24
My suspicion is that they will be causing legal chaos that disrupts the entire process enough to throw it to the House. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #28
Georgia alone cannot force a contingent election Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #34
(Can't bookmark a comment) TommyT139 Aug 2024 #38
You're depending a lot on only one state not certifying when multiple states could do that.... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #42
We are definitely headed for uncharted waters Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #47
I just hope they don't take us by surprise with something else entirely. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #49
They might be luckier and more corrupt than us, but we are smarter Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #50
I hope you don't mean garland. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #51
I was thinking of Mark Elias Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #85
Thats a little reassuring because BlueKota Aug 2024 #80
I'm not as worried about this as some onandup Aug 2024 #29
They passed a law that says they can do exactly what it says, REJECT votes... Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #31
Then Harris will object, and trigger the Electoral Count Act Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #48
And who will be the 3 judge panel in this far right red state? Far right as in most on the right. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #52
I'm not crystal clear on the selection process Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #86
tRump following bushthief Florida 2000 election theft roadmap GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #73
"If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'." czarjak Aug 2024 #30
The question i have is bluestarone Aug 2024 #39
I think JustAnotherGen Aug 2024 #45
It is still against the law and if they think their little rule is going to get them around it, they are Bev54 Aug 2024 #43
The difference this time JustAnotherGen Aug 2024 #44
Biden has pre-approval from SCOTUS to do what's needed to save democracy. CrispyQ Aug 2024 #104
These people who certify elections have names and addresses. A thousand people out side each of their homes everyday airmid Aug 2024 #46
But, there's real hope: Sogo Aug 2024 #53
Thanks Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #55
The country will literally come apart by the seams if they do this. mudstump Aug 2024 #57
Hope so, cuz they are counting on nobody doing anything about it. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2024 #59
Yes, it will. roamer65 Aug 2024 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Aug 2024 #99
I believe Harris/Walz BlueKota Aug 2024 #63
We need to be prepared to ignore a Supreme Court ruling if necessary. dawg Aug 2024 #113
I agree. BlueKota Aug 2024 #121
More real hope: Sogo Aug 2024 #69
bushthief 2000 lawyer Ben Ginsburg is on this task force! GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #82
STOP THE STEAL the real fucking trashcans who will steal always projecting Nimble_Idea Aug 2024 #77
Looks like you don't have trust in Biden Kaleva Aug 2024 #95
It wouldn't hurt Danascot Aug 2024 #100
Stop being afraid of these clowns malaise Aug 2024 #102
If they go that far to cheat ... Charging Triceratops Aug 2024 #103
I'd be surprised if other states aren't going to Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2024 #107
The only answer is not to permit it to happen. BrightKnight Aug 2024 #108
Time for "An Official Act" from Biden lame54 Aug 2024 #109
If we can win Pennsylvania it might not matter. LudwigPastorius Aug 2024 #116
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