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bluestate10

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120. Convincing the purists is almost impossible.

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:29 PM

Dec 2012

The interesting issue for me is that in 2016, we will be at the same inflection point that we were at coming into the 2000 election. A popular and dynamic democratic President had worked hard to clear up three terms of republican fuck-ups (in the case of 2016, two terms) and democrats needed to vote to stay the course. The Nader ilk fucking blew that rational course up and we went through 8 of the darkest years in our nation's history because of their fucking clueless arrogance. Not ONE person that voted for Nader in 2000 can stand up and say that the nation wouldn't have been better off with Gore leading. Not fucking one of them can present a fact based analysis to refute my argument that they fucked up and the country paid and is paying a horrible price in economic uncertainty and jobs because of their arrogance. We may be better off in 2016 because we won't depend as strongly on the elitist, my way or the highway, Nader type of purists. Hispanics, working women, Blacks and Asians will have more say in 2016, that may be our saving grace.

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So IF Hillary is the Democratic nominee in 2016, will you vote for her or stay home? [View all] Bake Dec 2012 OP

I'm going to make that decision in 2016 Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #1

You mean a dyed in the wool liberal might need time to contemplate voting Democratic? Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #24

:) Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #85

agreed. I also have to get over hearing the same two or three names over and roguevalley Dec 2012 #138

Did you feel the same about FDR and Al Gore? Bobby and Jack and Teddy? graham4anything Dec 2012 #181

yes, actually. I did. I adore them all but I am sick of dynasties. roguevalley Dec 2012 #220

Hillary IMHO will be a liberal from the left, unlike Bill was. She is not He. Separate people/paths graham4anything Dec 2012 #221

my objection isn't hillary. she will be great. roguevalley Dec 2012 #244

Yes, many would have but only 44 have. That is why I want Hillary. 2016 she can (WILL) win. graham4anything Dec 2012 #247

me too liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #167

I agree davidpdx Dec 2012 #178

i will vote for her. psychmommy Dec 2012 #2

I like her a lot better now, eight years later. coldbeer Dec 2012 #100

As will I Warren Religion Dec 2012 #173

No! sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #243

aw geez, is it time for this already? NightWatcher Dec 2012 #3

Of course it's time! Bake Dec 2012 #35

I hope you are joking. 99Forever Dec 2012 #69

I just said the same thing. madokie Dec 2012 #54

Hillary/Jeb 2016! The ultimate bipartisan ticket leftstreet Dec 2012 #4

As the Man said, Sir: 'Vote For the Democrat; We May Not be Perfect, But They're Nuts!" The Magistrate Dec 2012 #5

+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #102

Splendidly put. I'm in. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #113

+ 1000 nuts. nt Selatius Dec 2012 #124

Hahaha gateley Dec 2012 #134

I will vote for the Dem nominee in 2016. bunnies Dec 2012 #6

+1 gateley Dec 2012 #136

No more Bushes and no more Clintons. Lionessa Dec 2012 #7

Are you saying...If Clinton was the Dem nominee...you wouldn't vote for because her name is Clinton? Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #29

Yes. I am. Lionessa Dec 2012 #55

I'm with you, Lioness. I do not want the US to go the way of JDPriestly Dec 2012 #96

She isnt a Bush AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #99

No Bushes, no Clintons, no dynastic family lines regarding Presidency. Lionessa Dec 2012 #107

So. If Hillary made it to the General for us, you would rather the republican get elected? bluestate10 Dec 2012 #116

Obama chose her for his most powerful cabinet position AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #129

Convincing the purists is almost impossible. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #120

2 points quakerboy Dec 2012 #141

Did you vote for Nader in 2000? Giving what will be at stake in 2016, I can believe that bluestate10 Dec 2012 #115

So you will vote for the GOP candidate ro stay home? Which is it? leftofcool Dec 2012 #135

I'm with you, Lionessa! Plus, I don't think she could beat Jeb Bush, with all the bush mafia is loudsue Dec 2012 #161

She would slaughter Jeb Bush AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #183

I agree with you 100% Revlon10 Dec 2012 #170

No one cares who you vote for in the primaries LynneSin Dec 2012 #197

I've already answered. NO. Lionessa Dec 2012 #198

You really should work on being a bit more flexible and open-minded. Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #232

Sorry but choosing a president isn't something I take lightly, and Lionessa Dec 2012 #241

If she's the Democratic nominee... Wait Wut Dec 2012 #8

I'm a Gillibrand fan right now RomneyLies Dec 2012 #9

I will definitely vote for her sasha031 Dec 2012 #10

Just so we're clear, was that "definitely" or "defiantly"? Bake Dec 2012 #37

thanks for the correction Bake sasha031 Dec 2012 #48

be sure to bring this up in 3.5 years rurallib Dec 2012 #11

First we have elections in 2014 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #12

I'll vote for her but my #1 choice is Gov. Schweitzer (D-MT) Larkspur Dec 2012 #13

I'll vote for her, but my #1 choice is Gov. O'Malley (D-MD) FSogol Dec 2012 #18

Is O'Malley term limited or might he run in 2014 for a 3rd term? Bucky Dec 2012 #52

I don't think he can run again. He did visit Iowa, which is usually a clue FSogol Dec 2012 #58

Talk him out of promoting "clean" coal and he'd be preferable to me, too IF Joe gateley Dec 2012 #133

IF she is, yes. CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #14

If she is the Democratic candidate, I will vote for her. sadbear Dec 2012 #15

obama hasn't even started his second term for fuck's sake.. frylock Dec 2012 #16

It was just a simple question ... not asking for a loyalty oath ... Bake Dec 2012 #39

Its a fair question on a Democratic political board AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #184

The things I miss by being away from here for so long ... Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #17

Attila may end up being to the left of the eventual Republican nominee... stevenleser Dec 2012 #83

Attila was a badass, though Scootaloo Dec 2012 #207

So what was Atilla the Hun's last name? Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #214

"Obama the American" Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #215

At the present I will vote for Hillary....but 2016 is a long way off Tippy Dec 2012 #19

Both. KamaAina Dec 2012 #20

Vote for her treestar Dec 2012 #21

no gop MFM008 Dec 2012 #22

She won't be the nominee. closeupready Dec 2012 #23

I think I have HappyMe Dec 2012 #25

According to Lawrence O'Donnell, Hillary IS running ... Bake Dec 2012 #41

I'll believe it when HappyMe Dec 2012 #45

So soon with this? GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #26

I have a wait and see attitude... haikugal Dec 2012 #27

Exactly, I'll never forget her gods, guns, and racism in 2008 primaries. Lionessa Dec 2012 #157

TRUTH!! For me as a person of color and a woman, it turned me off then, but I've forgiven Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #189

No way in hell I stay home RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #28

Or let a Rethug pick a SC Justice. nt Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #32

I'm focused on 2014. That's the first order of business, imo. pinto Dec 2012 #30

I will vote for Hillary. southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #31

We're doing this again? Renew Deal Dec 2012 #33

Will you vote for her? Renew Deal Dec 2012 #34

I believe I said I'm a Democrat. Bake Dec 2012 #42

Just wanted to be clear. Renew Deal Dec 2012 #70

I will vote for her mainly to keep a Democrat in the White House. n/t RebelOne Dec 2012 #36

That would be pretty funny if Newt and Ricky were the top two Republican contenders RZM Dec 2012 #38

Not vote for the most popular woman in the country? JaneQPublic Dec 2012 #40

JaneQ, you said a mouthful! Bake Dec 2012 #44

but Gillibrand and Warren don't have so many whoppers behind them to hide from. Whisp Dec 2012 #95

Voting for the person whose name is recognized, JDPriestly Dec 2012 #97

But Warren and others don't have that GOP Clinton hate to deal with -- although the gateley Dec 2012 #137

The OP's question was...IF Clinton were the nominee...would you vote for her! Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #43

IF Clinton were the nominee of course I'd vote for her. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #46

Vote for her, of course. JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #47

There's a reason Texan Dems are called "Yella Dogs" Bucky Dec 2012 #49

She'd make a great President Taverner Dec 2012 #50

Since Republicans are not going to become a liberal, left of center, progressive party... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #51

Sure wish we wouldn't get this started so soon madokie Dec 2012 #53

I'm not a democrat... mike_c Dec 2012 #56

Then why are you here ... on a site called Democratic Underground? Bake Dec 2012 #61

been here since nearly the beginning.... mike_c Dec 2012 #140

Then why do you have so few posts? If you've been here for 10 years? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #146

I dunno.... mike_c Dec 2012 #150

Just wondering. I've been around at least that long....I thought DU had been around longer Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #175

DU went online in January 2001.... mike_c Dec 2012 #187

Back atcha, Mike! Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #210

I've been a member since 2004 and only have 846 posts. athena Dec 2012 #194

You're right. That's not low. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #212

I'll be dead. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #57

... Mnemosyne Dec 2012 #62

I'd kinda like to see Michele as her VP running mate. clydefrand Dec 2012 #59

Focus on 2014 first, people Hekate Dec 2012 #60

I'll be the first in line for early voting to vote for her. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #63

If I'm still alive, I'll vote for the Democratic nominee Warpy Dec 2012 #64

I'll vote. Chan790 Dec 2012 #65

Yes, if she's the nominee. TDale313 Dec 2012 #66

Look, you know perfectly well everybody here would grit their teeth and vote for her. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #67

Let's see who will be the nominee first loyalkydem Dec 2012 #68

No, you must answer right now. Renew Deal Dec 2012 #71

I rather it be Elizabeth Warren loyalkydem Dec 2012 #86

I was kidding. Renew Deal Dec 2012 #92

I refuse to vote for Hillary... Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #72

I would support her against a Repuglican for damn sure. Whisp Dec 2012 #73

You bet nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #74

If she runs and if she is the nominee I would vote for her Marrah_G Dec 2012 #75

Vote for her. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #76

I'd rather vote for Barbara Boxer, but if it's Hillary Clinton, of course she has my vote. n/t Ian David Dec 2012 #77

She's wouldn't be my first choice, but I would vote for her. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #78

I will vote against ANY Republican. End of discussion. nt Speck Tater Dec 2012 #79

You and me both. ALWAYS. rivegauche Dec 2012 #81

HELL YES rivegauche Dec 2012 #80

I would vote inthusiasticly!! doccraig67 Dec 2012 #82

I have no problems pulling the lever for Hillary. nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #84

I am not a Reaganite so I will be voting for the Democratic nominee NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #87

I don't agree with All of Hillary's positions any more than man4allcats Dec 2012 #88

Yes, I would be happy to vote for her Gothmog Dec 2012 #89

I'm much more impressed with her now than I was in '08 LibGranny Dec 2012 #90

I can't wait to vote for Hillary!! KauaiK Dec 2012 #91

She won't be. wtmusic Dec 2012 #93

Right now, I hope we find a better candidate who is more JDPriestly Dec 2012 #94

Love to see someone try and and stop me.... Rowdyboy Dec 2012 #98

Hillary SamKnause Dec 2012 #101

I have no reason to vote for H. Clinton texshelters Dec 2012 #103

Absolutely! frogmarch Dec 2012 #106

I still haven't received my free stuff Island Blue Dec 2012 #104

I'll vote for her. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #105

vote for her of course. bowens43 Dec 2012 #108

Had no doubt I would vote for her in 2008. ToxMarz Dec 2012 #109

IF... (n/t) derby378 Dec 2012 #110

If Clinton runs in 2016, I have no doubt she'll fail out just like in 2008. Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #111

You speak TRUTH!!! I think she's a better person now and I will support her IF she is the nominee. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #193

I'll stay home ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #112

I will contribute to her campaign and vote for her and urge my siblings and their children to bluestate10 Dec 2012 #114

I will vote for her and work for her like I did Obama in 2008 and Kaine in 2012 underpants Dec 2012 #117

I would vote for Hillary... Sancho Dec 2012 #118

My position will likely be the same as it's was in 2008. Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #119

I'm in n/t MrsBrady Dec 2012 #121

I always vote and I always vote for the Democrats, but.... Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #122

Read 166 below fadedrose Dec 2012 #168

Never say never. Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #201

I'll vote for whoever the nominee is. Kaleva Dec 2012 #123

VOTE!!!! Kahuna Dec 2012 #125

i'll vote for the democratic nominee. spanone Dec 2012 #126

Are you shitting me? tularetom Dec 2012 #127

I will vote her underthematrix Dec 2012 #128

IWR won't matter the way it did in 2008 BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #130

pointless mental masturbation right now ibegurpard Dec 2012 #131

I'll vote for someone else in the primary. If she wins that, I'll vote for her in the general. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #132

she is a corporatist, I would vote no or stay home. larkrake Dec 2012 #139

You're getting way too far ahead of the game JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #142

A vote for the democratic nominee in 2016 is a vote for Obama's legacy. craigmatic Dec 2012 #143

Voted for Hillary last time, will certainly do it again!! center rising Dec 2012 #144

I voted for Obama twice. I'll vote for Hillary in 2016. She's earned my respect. The Iraq vote... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #145

Of course I'll vote for her. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #147

Anyone who won't support her (if she is picked) is Pizza sellitman Dec 2012 #148

I will vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is... hughee99 Dec 2012 #149

She was my first choice in 2004. Still, I'll wait till 2016 Xipe Totec Dec 2012 #151

She won't run. jschurchin Dec 2012 #152

Y'know, it's not really cool to do an OP that basically dares people to commit a TOS violation. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #153

Of course I'll vote for her truebluegreen Dec 2012 #154

I just voted for my President AC_Mem Dec 2012 #155

I will vote for the democratic candidate. charmay Dec 2012 #156

Elizabeth Warren for president 2016! B Calm Dec 2012 #158

That is my dream candidate krawhitham Dec 2012 #165

I never dreamed she was 63, she looks B Calm Dec 2012 #188

I voted for her in my state's primary in 2008. I would vote for her for president. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #159

Why? Warren hasn't actually done anything nor even entered her job she was hired for 6 years for graham4anything Dec 2012 #180

Yes the Hillary 2016 band is playing DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #160

Hill's a shoo in.. ReRe Dec 2012 #162

Against in the primary and for her in the General if she makes it that far, but I hope she does not krawhitham Dec 2012 #163

A 69 year old anti-union Goldwater girl DINO can not win a general election krawhitham Dec 2012 #164

mgraz or something like that and the MI primary fadedrose Dec 2012 #166

The one time in my life I voted "Uncommitted" Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #200

I voted "uncommitted" too fadedrose Dec 2012 #209

Mine was an anti-Clinton vote Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #219

If she is the nominee in 2016, yes I will vote for her. Personally, ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #169

Is this really a question? Of COURSE I would vote for her. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #171

I've never been a huge fan of Hilliary's, that said, I think she has been an awesome SOS and rainlillie Dec 2012 #172

Of course I'd vote for her union_maid Dec 2012 #174

If Hillary were the Democratic nominee yes I would absolutely vote for her Ya Basta Dec 2012 #176

Yes, if we're stuck with her customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #177

vote 4 her april Dec 2012 #179

I'm not a fan of HRC.. sendero Dec 2012 #182

I always vote for the Democrat. Iggo Dec 2012 #185

I will vote for her in the general election. I do not know if I will yet in the primaries. jwirr Dec 2012 #186

2016 Robbins Dec 2012 #190

Not to vote for her would be like cutting my foot off because my toe hurts. Festivito Dec 2012 #191

I refuse to play the 2016 nomination game for a couple more years. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #192

man that's four years away. barbtries Dec 2012 #195

Any DU who suggests staying at home should hang their head in shame!!! LynneSin Dec 2012 #196

strange H2O Man Dec 2012 #199

Of course I would. JNelson6563 Dec 2012 #202

Will worry about it JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #203

Is this really a question? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #204

I would gladly vote for her BB_Smoke Dec 2012 #205

Hells's Bells. It's cold outside, truedelphi Dec 2012 #206

Or at least 3 months. klook Dec 2012 #229

I would happily vote for her get the red out Dec 2012 #208

Of course I'll vote for her. mykpart Dec 2012 #211

I'll cross that bridge when we get there.... MzShellG Dec 2012 #213

Of course I would vote for her Sgent Dec 2012 #216

If she is the General Election candidate SteveG Dec 2012 #217

don't forget Pro NAFTA too upi402 Dec 2012 #218

No-brainer redStateBlueHeart Dec 2012 #222

She worked at the Rose law firm which represented Monsanto. I will never vote for Hillary as such. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #223

She's a pro-war, racist authoritarian cpwm17 Dec 2012 #224

Even if the Repubican candidate is worse? Incitatus Dec 2012 #225

I mostly agree with your assessment, its why I'd oppose her in the Primaries. 1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #238

Can I borrow some flypaper? Bonobo Dec 2012 #226

Both. Washington is all vote by mail, so I can vote for her, and stay home on Election Night! <bseg> Kennah Dec 2012 #227

I wish I could lock threads. She's not running for POTUS in 2016. nt Electric Monk Dec 2012 #228

Hilliary? shes got my vote! asktheteach1 Dec 2012 #230

Me too, and Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #242

It depends upon how insane he republican candidate is and if I still live in a swing state. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #231

As a woman, I'm offended that some here would not support the most qualified female candidate ever. Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #233

I'll vote for the nominee but don't think it should be her and won't support her in the primaries. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #234

I hope the Democrats will run a progressive as their nominee in 2016. However,in the general election Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #235

she`s not going to run. madrchsod Dec 2012 #236

First off she won't run, but if she did I'd oppose her in the Primaries but vote for the Nominee 1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #237

That's fair, and that's how it should work OmahaBlueDog Dec 2012 #240

Hell yes I'll vote for Hillary OmahaBlueDog Dec 2012 #239

Why are we talking about 2016 when we barely finished this election?? Pisces Dec 2012 #245

No. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #246

You really want to start this circular war NOW? LWolf Dec 2012 #248

I would definitely vote for Hillary.... Unrepentant Fenian Dec 2012 #249