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Kaleva

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40. The Mongols

Fri Aug 16, 2024, 06:16 PM

Aug 2024

"The Mongols invaded and destroyed Volga Bulgaria and Kievan Rus', before invading Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, and other territories. Over the course of three years (1237–1240), the Mongols razed all the major cities of Russia with the exceptions of Novgorod and Pskov."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_and_conquests#:~:text=The%20Mongols%20invaded%20and%20destroyed,exceptions%20of%20Novgorod%20and%20Pskov.

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Why didn't Ukraine invade Russia a long time ago? nt [View all] LAS14 Aug 2024 OP

They were playing defense Deep State Witch Aug 2024 #1

To tell you the truth I'm surprised that Ukraine stayed and fought back. Jacson6 Aug 2024 #16

Resources, mainly the F16s for the offensive air support... Wounded Bear Aug 2024 #2

these two things. (and thanks for putting them out there right away) stopdiggin Aug 2024 #23

Is this a serious question? nt yagotme Aug 2024 #3

What makes you think it's not???? LAS14 Aug 2024 #4

Well, name a country that has SUCCEEDED in invading Russia. yagotme Aug 2024 #5

This is a discussion forum. We discuss. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #7

Right. Until someone puts forth an opposing view, then the name calling comes out. nt yagotme Aug 2024 #9

Most online forums require some courage and a thick skin. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #10

Hard to not "take things personally", when those things ARE addressed to you personally. nt yagotme Aug 2024 #14

Yes it takes some practice and courage to post online. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #46

I do call them out when they do that, but I don't report or ignore. yagotme Aug 2024 #49

Yes I agree. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #57

Nope. Just keep up my innocent "Who, me?" face and let them carry on. nt yagotme Aug 2024 #60

You didn't start with an "opposing view" You started with a challenge without substance. Stinky The Clown Aug 2024 #36

I asked the OP if they were presenting a serious question. yagotme Aug 2024 #47

And dumb questions qualify for 'discussion' stopdiggin Aug 2024 #24

OK, maybe I should have asked this question instead. LAS14 Aug 2024 #8

That one makes a lot more sense. yagotme Aug 2024 #11

Ukraine doesn't want to conquer Russia, gab13by13 Aug 2024 #34

Thus, my confusion, on whether the question the OP posted was serious or not. yagotme Aug 2024 #53

It's A Raid More Than An Invasion The Magistrate Aug 2024 #12

Yes, exactly. By illustrating just how weak and unprepared Russia is right now, MineralMan Aug 2024 #37

There are several BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #17

How about after the 1500's... yagotme Aug 2024 #18

Ah yes BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #21

Not clear how 'invade Russia' applies to a time when Russia stopdiggin Aug 2024 #25

It's ironic BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #55

Germany in WWI Kaleva Aug 2024 #41

Key word: Succeeded. yagotme Aug 2024 #48

It's irrelevant that Germany lost in the Western Front Kaleva Aug 2024 #56

We had a fairly weak economy/industrial output in 1941. yagotme Aug 2024 #58

The Mongols Kaleva Aug 2024 #40

The Mongol empire. But seriously, haele Aug 2024 #43

"My question is why, when they are still on the defensive?" yagotme Aug 2024 #50

US made it clear they would not support this action. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #6

Yup BeyondGeography Aug 2024 #20

PLUS - it was in no way feasible stopdiggin Aug 2024 #27

The military and US intelligence knew Putin was bluffing. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #28

I don't remember it that way stopdiggin Aug 2024 #30

If you listen to interviews with US retired generals Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #31

edited prior post. As far as truly 'informed' opinion, you (and they) are probably correct. stopdiggin Aug 2024 #32

Retired generals are known for speaking on the behalf of the military. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #45

I think Jake Sullivan was a more influential voice on that score. Crunchy Frog Aug 2024 #44

Not using NATO weapons on Russian territories has been the condition for getting them Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #13

Thank you! Most persuasive and clearest answer yet. nt LAS14 Aug 2024 #15

Yes Kaleva Aug 2024 #42

I think Ukraine wanted Russia k55f5r Aug 2024 #19

Because the US pressured them NOT to (initiallly being very concerned of wider conflict)... hlthe2b Aug 2024 #22

F-16s speak easy Aug 2024 #26

In the begining the expectation was that the amassed 100,000 Russian troops of the vaunted Red Army would..... EarnestPutz Aug 2024 #29

I thought our policy prohibited them from going into Russia onandup Aug 2024 #33

Ukraine didn't inform anyone before it went into Russia. gab13by13 Aug 2024 #35

It's easy to ask that from the comfort of your living room Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #38

Your tone is unnecessarily condescending. Several people up thread... LAS14 Aug 2024 #39

Sounds serious. Torchlight Aug 2024 #59

Nice. jimfields33 Aug 2024 #61

Seriously? edisdead Aug 2024 #51

Obligatory meme Shermann Aug 2024 #52

Partly because they were pressured by the U.S. and Russia to give up their nukes in the 1990s Wicked Blue Aug 2024 #54

Invade with what? LiberalFighter Aug 2024 #62