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NashvilleLefty

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55. I'm sorry, but Manning's cries of "torture"

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:41 AM

Dec 2012

only denigrates the actual torture that other detainees experienced.

First of all, we have to consider Manning's history. Honestly, I don't see how he got in the position he did in the first place. He did have a history of doing damage to himself and others around him. If his superiors had done anything other than take the utmost precautions with him and he did something to himself, they would have been screwed. He "joked" that he could hang himself with his underwear. Good point. Was that a Joke, or could he have been serious? Don't take any chances. So, then he complained that he wasn't allowed to wear underwear.

His claims of "torture" basically fall in line with protective care. Was he water-boarded? No. Was he subjected to any other treatment recorded at Abu Grahib or GITMO as "torture"? No. He was put in solitary, and was forced to wear "scratchy" non-suicidal jumpsuits.

I'm sorry, but he had a history of "seeking attention" long before he ever joined the military. Please look into that, and what he put his parents through.

There is a difference between being tortured and being detained.

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Bradley Manning: A Tale Of Liberty Lost In America - Glenn Greenwald/TheNation [View all] WillyT Dec 2012 OP

I believe that although Manning has serious mental problems, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #1

If he didn't have mental issues prior to his treatment by his beloved military, he teddy51 Dec 2012 #2

He should have never had access to classified info to begin with, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4

Did You Know... That They Had Passwords On Sticky-Notes In Those "Secure" Areas ??? WillyT Dec 2012 #6

His ranking shouldn't have allowed him anywhere near classified info, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #11

What do you mean his ranking shouldn't have DevonRex Dec 2012 #20

Not his ranking, but he shouldn't have even held any rank that allowed access to classified info. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #46

Look up the definition of rank as it pertains DevonRex Dec 2012 #49

You might have been able to make your point Ken Burch Dec 2012 #21

+10 nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #24

It wasn't an insult. There is nothing insulting or humiliating about that. It is a job with benefits JaneyVee Dec 2012 #45

Even the psychiatrist agreed those are the facts nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #3

He should not be deemed mentally fit for trial. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #5

Some here don't see the problem either nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #8

He received care. Four psychiatrists declared him fit and recommended his inhumane treatment end. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #9

No, I'm talking about threatening his step-mother with a butcher knife in 2006, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #12

None of those translate being mentally unfit for trial. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #15

Sounds like you're already to line the guy up for the firing squad. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #22

Not at all. Not only do I think he shouldn't be lined up for a firing squad, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #48

Apparently I've misunderstood your intent, then. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #50

Whether Manning is unfit for trial is not the issue. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #27

I agree. But what do you mean here: Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #32

The torture itself appears to me to be an attempt to confuse Manning so as to JDPriestly Dec 2012 #54

His treatment in Kuwait was really OTT...and thanks for posting about it. KoKo Dec 2012 #33

What "mental" problems would those be. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #10

Here's Willy T link for a good summary: JaneyVee Dec 2012 #13

What that reveals is that he was not a good candidate for the military... Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #16

That was my earlier point. It was a bad judgement call by the military & commanding officer. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #47

How have YOU determined that he has mental health problems????????????? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #17

K&R for Glenn Greenwald MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #7

K&R n/t defacto7 Dec 2012 #14

Wondering how many other emotionally damaged iindividuals, in trouble with the military, or patrice Dec 2012 #18

It isn't that Manning is so much more deserving. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #28

Thank you. Lucinda Dec 2012 #31

A wonderful post. Thnak you. Thank you. Thank you. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #51

I don't think journalist/lawyer Greenwald qualifies as "Celebrity Association," though. KoKo Dec 2012 #36

100% agree. He bit the hand that fed him to become a star. graham4anything Dec 2012 #42

As much as so many of us might wish it were otherwise, being in the military is NOT the same patrice Dec 2012 #44

It was Greenwald who broke the news of Mannings treatment which sparked Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #53

We fight dirty. 7wo7rees Dec 2012 #19

This is a Hero. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #23

FDR had Manzanar, Clinton had Ricky Rae Rector, Obama has Manning - what's a little coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #25

The guy and Ronald Reagan one and the same. If I were juror #8-guilty. 1st degree.Each. graham4anything Dec 2012 #26

"the only liberty lost is the one Manning attempted to take from America." marmar Dec 2012 #35

so if someone robbed your car, you are saying another should rob your neighbors? graham4anything Dec 2012 #37

We asked for his help Hydra Dec 2012 #39

Now he is wasting MY tax dollars. I did not ask him. Dreyfuss he ain't. graham4anything Dec 2012 #41

He isn't wasting your tax dollars Hydra Dec 2012 #43

Aldridge Ames: A Tale Of Liberty Lost In America whistler162 Dec 2012 #29

knr Lucinda Dec 2012 #30

k/r marmar Dec 2012 #34

Aiding the enemy? Octafish Dec 2012 #38

That would assume we have a democracy Hydra Dec 2012 #40

If only 1/10th of the outrage against Manning. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #52

I'm sorry, but Manning's cries of "torture" NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #55