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BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
214. Read the FOUNDING charters
Mon Aug 26, 2024, 08:07 PM
Aug 2024

That tells you the original intent of the organization.

As for nuclear weapons, if I was Israeli PM, I’d change policies.

I would announce that Israel is a nuclear state and that it will launch a nuclear strike on any site that launches rockets at Israel. That would work to pressure Lebanese authorities to expel Hizbollah from their territory.

I’d also state that Hizbollah is an Iranian proxy and that any rocket attacks from Hizbollah will result in retaliation against Iran directly — specifically, the destruction of the Kargh Island oil terminal and refinery that is the heart of the Iranian oil industry.

Without that refinery, Iran’s economy would collapse and it would be unable to fund its terror proxies like Hizbollah.

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No TheProle Aug 2024 #1
We have no willing negotiating partner on either side. Warmonger Netanyahu... brush Aug 2024 #227
Well said soandso Sep 2024 #232
They're not really fighting over gods, they're fighting over us. We should refuse them all. lindysalsagal Sep 2024 #243
Agreed, Israel is a convenient proxy Amishman Sep 2024 #235
Yes. Trueblue1968 Sep 2024 #253
Should the US stop funding Israel Passionate Dem Aug 2024 #2
Absolutelyfuckingnot, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #3
Hold up! soandso Aug 2024 #4
It is BS actually...I think you forgot Hamas attacked Israel. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #7
And Hizbollah was planning a major attack against Israel and Israel pre-empted the attack, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #8
I'm not talking about the latest events soandso Aug 2024 #12
And I answered it. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #16
With respect, the Abortion question is not moot just because the SCROTUS has ruled. dickthegrouch Aug 2024 #55
Every conversation on this site is 'moot', since they appear on some obscure website Jack Valentino Aug 2024 #113
.... MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #126
It is not moot at all. HUAJIAO Aug 2024 #203
So show me where I said people aren't allowed to discuss it. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #218
double no... Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #36
Recent actions by Hamas is what is dictating Israel's current and longer response. yagotme Aug 2024 #174
I agree that Hamas instigated this soandso Aug 2024 #200
These groups often have as their rallying cry, "Death to America!" yagotme Aug 2024 #220
If the US wasn't in the middle east soandso Aug 2024 #224
So, we need to "get out" of the Middle East? yagotme Aug 2024 #230
Yes, the US needs to get out soandso Sep 2024 #231
Some of those countries hate us, just because of who/what we are. yagotme Sep 2024 #236
That sounds awfully "they hate us for freedoms" soandso Sep 2024 #254
Freedom of religion, yes. yagotme Sep 2024 #258
And then the refrain would be that the attack was allowed to happen. TheKentuckian Aug 2024 #180
OH, the "Bush Doctrine". That always works out so well krawhitham Aug 2024 #181
You don't think that Israel has the right to launch a pre-emptive attack against a sworn enemy MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #192
I didn't forget anything soandso Aug 2024 #10
The big picture is no...Israel has the right to defend themselves...I think Hamas is making sure to cause as much Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #38
This is not so simple.. the 'feud' goes back thousands of years. HUAJIAO Aug 2024 #202
Yes. Sky Jewels Aug 2024 #5
No I don't. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #6
Should the US stop supporting Ukraine? NATO? Swede Aug 2024 #9
Beyond the scope of this thread soandso Aug 2024 #14
So we only support some of our allies? Swede Aug 2024 #23
The US is a party to the NATO treaty soandso Aug 2024 #27
Some good info here. Basso8vb Aug 2024 #226
Israel is the aggressor, Ukraine is not onandup Aug 2024 #114
??? sarisataka Aug 2024 #135
Gazans crossed the border and murdered a bunch of kids at a concert and old folks in their houses. Swede Aug 2024 #139
Ukraine recently attacked into Russia. yagotme Aug 2024 #171
Israel and Russia are aggressors in the broader sense onandup Aug 2024 #206
Gaza pretty much had sovereignty, had they chosen to exercise it properly. yagotme Aug 2024 #221
At what point did Gaza have sovereignty? onandup Aug 2024 #223
(sigh) Here you go: yagotme Aug 2024 #229
Israel has blockaded Gaza for 17 years onandup Sep 2024 #233
So, what is the reason that they were blockaded? yagotme Sep 2024 #237
To impoverish and antagonize the population onandup Sep 2024 #239
You don't think suicide bombings and assaults on schools had anything to do with it? yagotme Sep 2024 #241
Israel blocks entry or exit by air and sea onandup Sep 2024 #245
You missed the main question: yagotme Sep 2024 #259
It was built when Hamas took control onandup Sep 2024 #263
And here I thought that the "wall" was for an "open air prison". yagotme Sep 2024 #264
You thought correctly - they have created an open air prison onandup Sep 2024 #265
It is a lack of agency, very common in the area sarisataka Sep 2024 #266
"Israel has blockaded Gaza for 17 years" Israel did not control the Gaza/Egypt border for 17 years EX500rider Sep 2024 #247
Israel is the aggressor? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #234
Netanyahu is Trump, the same liar and cheater and fraud and is keeping this going for his own benefit. lark Aug 2024 #187
Not the same TheFarseer Aug 2024 #31
If we don't fund Israel Hamas is NOT who they have to worry about. edisdead Aug 2024 #81
If they keep up the low key genocide TheFarseer Aug 2024 #110
What is a "low key genocide"? sheshe2 Aug 2024 #160
The occupied west bank is being steadily commandeered by fanatical right-wing settlers. maxsolomon Aug 2024 #185
No edisdead Aug 2024 #82
We slowly gave Ukraine older F16s, while orthoclad Aug 2024 #172
YES! orthoclad Aug 2024 #11
Yes - and use that money for health care for all womanofthehills Aug 2024 #13
Right that is so not happening. And the idea that we should abandon an ally for the reasons you cite. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #40
Allies normally bring something to the table, that is Israel bringing except a possible WWIII krawhitham Aug 2024 #179
Let's play devil's advocate... sarisataka Aug 2024 #184
Thanks for your post. He fact that Israeli's have universal health care, we don't and we subsidize them slays me. mjvpi Aug 2024 #136
These 'kids' are noticing all these videos? sheshe2 Aug 2024 #162
"The headless babies and burnt to a crisp babies are increasing onTwitter." What dark corners of X do you hang out in? EX500rider Sep 2024 #248
No. Danmel Aug 2024 #15
Israel's right exist is not the question soandso Aug 2024 #22
Israel has the entire Islamic nations against them and would not exist without our help. It is also in our Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #43
Exactly Danmel Aug 2024 #50
This started thousands of years ago... HUAJIAO Aug 2024 #205
This is a divisive question. pwb Aug 2024 #17
What assumptions did I make? soandso Aug 2024 #19
Should the civilized world have ceased trade with the USA when Trump took the Oval? DFW Aug 2024 #18
Should the US abandon Israel to the terrorists sarisataka Aug 2024 #20
Is not funding and arming Israel soandso Aug 2024 #25
We have seen the waves of rockets and missiles that their enemies are willing to launch at Israel sarisataka Aug 2024 #28
Okay, that's a fair point soandso Aug 2024 #30
It appears it is a joint effort sarisataka Aug 2024 #39
Thanks for that info soandso Aug 2024 #52
Not at all...It is not. Israel is not a Terrorist. It is a country who's people were viciously attacked by Hamas. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #44
I think the question was soandso Aug 2024 #46
What is the revenge ratio that you see as adequate? 50 Palestinian deaths for each Israeli? 60-1? 100-1? mjvpi Aug 2024 #138
"Revenge rate?" You Do know why Israel is attacking Hamas, right? yagotme Aug 2024 #173
Comparing WW2 and oct 7th is a bad argument. Eko Aug 2024 #213
I believe you misunderstand the gist of my post. yagotme Aug 2024 #222
I understood the gist of your post. Eko Aug 2024 #225
What is the revenge ratio that will make you happy. 50 to 1? 80 to 1? 100 to 1? mjvpi Aug 2024 #140
Why help terrorists hiding beneath women's skirts and baby diapers? Ponietz Aug 2024 #21
Terrorists should not ever be helped, imo soandso Aug 2024 #24
No, we should not. Israel must rule themselves. I believe BiBi's days are numbered. He will go to prison. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #45
Perhaps a better question H2O Man Aug 2024 #26
That last bit is complicated soandso Aug 2024 #35
No, Israel did not start this and Hamas must not be rewarded in any way. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #47
Hamas started this round. atreides1 Aug 2024 #84
A thought for you to ponder... yagotme Aug 2024 #175
Yes LiberaBlueDem Aug 2024 #29
If we stop funding Israel, they'd get it from somewhere else. Angleae Aug 2024 #32
China would be willing to support Israel? soandso Aug 2024 #33
I don't think that was the meaning... Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #49
That's why I asked soandso Aug 2024 #53
No. nt LexVegas Aug 2024 #34
Should the US stop funding any of its allies? Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #37
Those are all good questions soandso Aug 2024 #54
Ukraine has been a contentious issue, and it directly affects US politics. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #92
Are you seeing any protests soandso Aug 2024 #100
No. And that adds to my suspicion. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #130
Meaning what soandso Aug 2024 #141
Absolutely, in terms of military funding. Fuck BiBi and the RW religio-fascist nutters who are his base. Celerity Aug 2024 #41
Bingo. Demand to know his end game. In the eyes of the ICC he is a war criminal. mjvpi Aug 2024 #142
Yes. It's the only way to pressure Israel and bring hostages back. Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #42
Giving Hamas what they want makes more hostage taking and conflict likely...so a big no. Hamas gets nothing. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #51
No DeepWinter Aug 2024 #48
It's not possible, practical or moral for the US to stop funding Israel, given our role in its creation as a state. lees1975 Aug 2024 #56
That was a good bit of history FullySupportDems Aug 2024 #115
That's a good question. lees1975 Aug 2024 #132
Thank you very much FullySupportDems Aug 2024 #150
No. The only ones suggesting that would like to see Israel destroyed JohnSJ Aug 2024 #57
Yes, absolutely. buzzycrumbhunger Aug 2024 #58
Agree. It sickens me that Sky Jewels Aug 2024 #61
"Who lived there first..." yagotme Aug 2024 #176
I'm thinking of this... buzzycrumbhunger Sep 2024 #270
Why are we stopping in 1946? nt yagotme Sep 2024 #271
No mcar Aug 2024 #59
Yes stop funding until Bibi N steps down and there is sane leadership we can return to funding them kimbutgar Aug 2024 #60
What do you think would be done differently soandso Aug 2024 #63
I dont know either Israeli Aug 2024 #166
Thank you for this, Israeli soandso Aug 2024 #196
At the very least drmeow Aug 2024 #62
Bring them in line, how? soandso Aug 2024 #68
When one says, with regard to monetary aid drmeow Aug 2024 #103
Oh, okay soandso Aug 2024 #106
At the very least. drmeow Aug 2024 #116
There's another poster on this thread soandso Aug 2024 #122
That's a slippery slope drmeow Aug 2024 #125
Well, that's the first time I'd heard that soandso Aug 2024 #128
Whether We Like It Or Not....... Babywhale Aug 2024 #64
If you think Israel is a proxy soandso Aug 2024 #67
They Are The Keystone........ Babywhale Aug 2024 #72
I find it ironic that democrats would question whether they should fund the only democracy in that region Happyhippychick Aug 2024 #65
I don't think a majority of Democrats soandso Aug 2024 #71
I can definitely agree with getting rid of bibi but I don't know how that would happen. Happyhippychick Aug 2024 #118
Same soandso Aug 2024 #121
The only way, really, to get rid of him, is... yagotme Sep 2024 #240
Yes. We should stop funding Israel until they get rid of Netanyahu. Autumn Aug 2024 #66
And then what? soandso Aug 2024 #69
I was very clear with what I said. We should not fund Israel until they get Autumn Aug 2024 #73
Yeah, I get that soandso Aug 2024 #75
Netanyahu has kept Hamas in power because Hamas and he share a goal. Making sure that Autumn Aug 2024 #83
Bingo soandso Aug 2024 #153
Yes NT anamnua Aug 2024 #70
Our $$ is actually buying services from Israel Arazi Aug 2024 #74
Most interesting answer yet soandso Aug 2024 #87
Yes because we have the same relationship with Jordan Arazi Aug 2024 #99
Thank you for that well reasoned answer soandso Aug 2024 #102
Yes. The oil countries (OPEC) especially are of critical importance Arazi Aug 2024 #112
Hmmm soandso Aug 2024 #120
The US has the bloodiest hands of them all Arazi Aug 2024 #124
We're in agreement on the bloody hands soandso Aug 2024 #133
We're actually "friends" (sic) with OPEC countries Arazi Aug 2024 #169
I don't think "trust" soandso Aug 2024 #197
Lets discuss in January and focus on getting Kamala Harris elected. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #76
Should the US stop funding Israel? atreides1 Aug 2024 #77
No. former9thward Aug 2024 #78
Ally in what way soandso Aug 2024 #96
Against terrorist groups and countries. former9thward Aug 2024 #101
Why would you think I wouldn't soandso Aug 2024 #104
Those organizations and Iran have been killing Americans in the region for generations. former9thward Aug 2024 #107
When and where? soandso Aug 2024 #111
I think conditional funding is legitimate foreign policy. walkingman Aug 2024 #79
The recipients may not agree soandso Aug 2024 #95
Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #80
Happy to answer soandso Aug 2024 #94
Let's see...new member of just under 2 months with GP6971 Aug 2024 #97
Off topic but what are "hides" and how can you tell megahertz Aug 2024 #108
A hide means that a post was removed for violating certain conditions. Once a member reaches 5 hidden posts in 90 GP6971 Aug 2024 #119
Oh okay, thank you. n/t megahertz Aug 2024 #127
Re: the hides soandso Aug 2024 #156
I wouldn't think animal rights or abuse would be a right-wing talking point. Odd. n/t megahertz Aug 2024 #188
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Aug 2024 #117
I'm sorry you believe that soandso Aug 2024 #155
Your question/statement is well worded vapor2 Aug 2024 #85
Well, thank you soandso Aug 2024 #90
A big fat sellitman Aug 2024 #86
lol soandso Aug 2024 #89
No Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2024 #88
Let's you and them fight! Pinback Aug 2024 #91
This is a very difficult and nuanced question that absolutely cannot be answered by Bev54 Aug 2024 #93
No but with strings attached DSandra Aug 2024 #98
I like this answer, and I agree. B.See Aug 2024 #105
I think the US does soandso Aug 2024 #109
It might be of note that their economy typically ranks moniss Aug 2024 #123
Israel's debt to GDP is better than the US soandso Aug 2024 #147
What does the US get out of funding them? Johnny2X2X Aug 2024 #129
Read the posts in this thread from Arazi soandso Aug 2024 #145
It's called moniss Aug 2024 #158
Cut it in half Mysterian Aug 2024 #131
Yes they do soandso Aug 2024 #143
That sounds like a suggestion Israel use their nukes sarisataka Aug 2024 #146
It means Israel will never be invaded by a conventional army Mysterian Aug 2024 #149
Unfortunately, the threats Israel primarily faces are unconventional, sarisataka Aug 2024 #152
Every U.S. expenditure should be conditioned on what is best for the American people, Mysterian Aug 2024 #178
Should the US do an end to end review sarisataka Aug 2024 #182
My previous post read: Mysterian Aug 2024 #183
Just checking... sarisataka Aug 2024 #186
Israel has been the largest recipient of U.S. military aid since WWII Mysterian Aug 2024 #190
I didn't realize we were only discussing military aid sarisataka Aug 2024 #191
Israel received $4.8 billion in military aid in 2022 not $ 3 billion. PufPuf23 Aug 2024 #194
Aid should be based on what is best for the American people Mysterian Aug 2024 #211
absolutely stop funding Israel gopiscrap Aug 2024 #134
Yes. Unless they get rid of Netnyehoo FoxNewsSucks Aug 2024 #137
I don't understand why they don't soandso Aug 2024 #148
Not an easy thing to achieve during a war Israeli Aug 2024 #165
Very interesting soandso Aug 2024 #198
Nope BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #144
I'll admit soandso Aug 2024 #157
It does BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #159
I don't think that makes sense! soandso Aug 2024 #163
Jewish people will never be mass murdered again BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #164
Who would you have Israel nuke? soandso Aug 2024 #199
Read the founding documents for Fatah, the PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #207
Got a link? soandso Aug 2024 #208
The information is easy enough to find with your preferred search engine BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #209
I found the 2017 Hamas Charter soandso Aug 2024 #212
Read the FOUNDING charters BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #214
I decided to read the revised charter soandso Aug 2024 #215
By your logic... BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #216
If you can provide soandso Aug 2024 #217
Again, that's just ignoring the history BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #219
The whole point being made to you is that the poster doesn't want anyone nuked. TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #242
The poster said Hamas wants to kill all Jews soandso Sep 2024 #256
fuck no larwdem Aug 2024 #151
This is a wedge issue. Can we JUST focus on the election right now, FlyingPiggy Aug 2024 #154
It should quit arming Israel iemanja Aug 2024 #161
That's for foreign policy experts to decide, not the "feelings" of misinformed random people. betsuni Aug 2024 #167
YES. The US should have stopped ages ago when Israel started taking away Palestinians lands. It is akbacchus_BC Aug 2024 #168
" Israel's plan is to kill all Palestinians so that its settlements can continue in Gaza. " EX500rider Sep 2024 #249
Thanks for addressing this head on Beringia Aug 2024 #170
Yes krawhitham Aug 2024 #177
Yes And No Deep State Witch Aug 2024 #189
Yes, or at least hold them accountable for their illegal settlements in the west bank dsp3000 Aug 2024 #193
Oy vey! 🙄 Here we go again! Let's "stop funding for Israel"... because Hamas is the ONLY threat to Israel? Please. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #195
I agree w/you 100% about Hamas soandso Aug 2024 #204
Good to know. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #210
No RandySF Aug 2024 #201
needs conditions. mainly the end of settlements. netanfuckyou has to resign. and 2 states. pansypoo53219 Aug 2024 #228
As long as we don't have National Healthcare, I say Emile Sep 2024 #238
Our not having national health care has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #244
But, Israel has National Healthcare. Emile Sep 2024 #246
I think Israel still needs funding mvd Sep 2024 #250
As long as Netanyahu is in charge, yes. sboatcar Sep 2024 #251
Well, the question has a lot of constraints to it. Joinfortmill Sep 2024 #252
Well, no matter your position, consider this SamuelTheThird Sep 2024 #255
I don't pretend to have the answers soandso Sep 2024 #257
No. Swede Sep 2024 #260
Yes NT anamnua Sep 2024 #261
Absofuckinlutely Chakaconcarne Sep 2024 #262
Absolutely EnergizedLib Sep 2024 #267
Jewish parasite sarisataka Sep 2024 #268
Yes, I was unaware of this history EnergizedLib Sep 2024 #269
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