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Warren Stupidity

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76. Prohibitionists rattle off torrents of bullshit.

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:08 PM

Dec 2012

You have two separate bullshit streams there.

1. Somehow Portugal's size invalidates the real data from their experiment. Well since you are working backwards from your assumption that prohibition is the right policy, you have to reject actual data that indicates that this is simply false, so best to go with a total non-sequitur.

2. Bath salts. When all other arguments fail, bring on the boogeyman. As long as there is a black market for banned and relatively safe (or at least with well understood toxicity) substances there will be schemes to develop new analog replacements that avoid regulation. Designer drugs like "bath salts" are the direct consequence of prohibition.

We've tried your failed nonsense for 40 years. We have more people in our prisons than any other nation. Your policies have directly wrecked the lives of millions of people. How about enough is enough?

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Why do men support legalizing pot, while women oppose it? [View all] Nye Bevan Dec 2012 OP

My personal experience is the opposite... alittlelark Dec 2012 #1

This study really doesn't make a lot of sense. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #2

Other polls have shown similar results.. Upton Dec 2012 #12

Maybe, but this IS Gallup, though. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #18

The OP is not Gallup. former9thward Dec 2012 #44

That poll indicates that southern conservative Republican women over the age of 50 are against it. yardwork Dec 2012 #57

That definitely does make sense. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #59

Wasn't prohibition of alcohol the same, at least in opposite direction? sadbear Dec 2012 #3

That would be the same direction (men more libertarian) (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #7

Except that men, more than women, oppose marriage equality. MNBrewer Dec 2012 #114

I think it's because temperance groups threw in with the women's suffrage movement Matariki Dec 2012 #21

Yes, but there was logic to that Hippo_Tron Dec 2012 #24

+1, n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #113

That ahd to do with women's and children's rights and protection obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #51

Yes, but there were good if misunderstood reasons women's support of prohibition... Moonwalk Dec 2012 #91

Women by and large favored prohibition, also. maxsolomon Dec 2012 #4

maybe men like to get stoned and rape? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #5

You know, that was always my first thought when I used to get stoned in college. sadbear Dec 2012 #6

Oh, no, you did NOT go there, dude! TheManInTheMac Dec 2012 #14

Actually, getting stoned would generally make those guys fall asleep and forget about raping. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #32

Yes, but pillaging a pizza parlor-- Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #38

I would guess that it sometimes has to do with being mothers. cbayer Dec 2012 #8

Then mothers would generally be idiots. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #69

I think you've got a point here. Adsos Letter Dec 2012 #81

Beats the hell out of me PlanetBev Dec 2012 #9

Men smoke it more and are far more likely to be arrested/imprisoned BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #10

That's been my experience. Incitatus Dec 2012 #15

I've always suspected that male and female endocannabinoid systems are slightly different tridim Dec 2012 #30

My wife used to smoke until she hit menopause... SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #64

I'm female Aerows Dec 2012 #97

I know several females who actually throw up when they smoke tridim Dec 2012 #99

I got horrible Aerows Dec 2012 #125

Anxiety is a common side-effect, esp. for new or infrequent Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #133

I ate a jar of peanut butter Aerows Dec 2012 #134

I prefer a bag of Hershey Almond Kisses. No instrumentality. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #143

I love peanut butter Aerows Dec 2012 #145

I dunno...my own personal experience is I know more guys who "partake" than I know women who do... cherish44 Dec 2012 #11

When it's legal, I guess it will be their right, but I have seen really intelligent people get... Tikki Dec 2012 #13

Yeah, it does happen. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #19

I got paranoid when I used to smoke. But I still support legalization for many reasons. Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #96

That's not what I have observed. It's been my experience that kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #16

What women are YOU hanging out with? Taverner Dec 2012 #17

I don't know about all women but for me liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #20

That made me a lot more cautious too. But I'm not sure why there would be a connection between Chemisse Dec 2012 #47

Maybe We are Devo Dec 2012 #22

Amen pegasis Dec 2012 #27

Then don't. nt RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #36

Oh, haha teehee...oh, teh stoopid man analogy! Earth_First Dec 2012 #40

So why wouldn't the men be against it because they didn't want to deal with stoned, stupid women? Chemisse Dec 2012 #50

BWhahahahahaha... funny stuff... SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #67

Wctu ethos never died off completely JVS Dec 2012 #23

HUH??? Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #25

Me too - LOL! Chemisse Dec 2012 #48

Me three! countryjake Dec 2012 #90

Nosy mother syndrome many women have it. Kurska Dec 2012 #26

Hey. I'd rather my kids smoke pot than drink. DevonRex Dec 2012 #41

Amen to that. Kath1 Dec 2012 #140

Concerns that their kids will smoke pot LeftInTX Dec 2012 #28

Hmmm not where I am Smilo Dec 2012 #29

I hate to sound nouveau politically correct but maybe it's true. randome Dec 2012 #31

So the smarter you are, the more likely you'll be against weed? RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #37

That doesn't make sense. The arguments to legalize it are logical. Chemisse Dec 2012 #53

Maybe the smarter you are, the more likely you'll have something better to do with your time? randome Dec 2012 #55

It will be a big fizzle. RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #60

Sure, I see your point. randome Dec 2012 #62

"High IQ linked to drug use" Kurska Dec 2012 #72

Huh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #82

Good point. randome Dec 2012 #100

Whatever makes you think that we voted to legalize it... countryjake Dec 2012 #89

Decriminalization would stop the incarceration rate, too. randome Dec 2012 #101

The cool thing about smart people who indulge in the ganja? Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #92

can I come over? waddirum Dec 2012 #137

. . . Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #138

Hmm. How about, we have 'something better to do' with the $60 Billion a year we spend "fighting" it? Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #93

Prohibition is the opposite of intelligence. n/t Kurska Dec 2012 #46

Heroin is prohibited. So is cocaine. I'd rather it stay that way. randome Dec 2012 #58

So first you post that Women are smarter then men because SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #61

They're two different possible outcomes. randome Dec 2012 #65

Tobacco RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #84

"Decriminalization" means that people still have to go to shady, unlicensed, unregulated dealers, NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #94

Countries that decriminalize heroin and cocaine like Portugal do not have increased use. Kurska Dec 2012 #66

Heroin and cocaine can affect more than just the user. randome Dec 2012 #70

Tell me, why exactly would country size matter? Just guessing or got any evidence to back that up? Kurska Dec 2012 #75

Prohibitionists rattle off torrents of bullshit. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #76

Bravo, lets start treating people like they are adults and maybe they will act like it. Kurska Dec 2012 #79

The Mexican cartels and the Taliban agree with you. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #129

"College degreed" whites "yes" for maryjane outweighed "no." So it's not education. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #68

Depends on what you mean by education, perhaps. randome Dec 2012 #71

The poll said "college degree." Everyone receives a non-college degreed education called life. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #73

If it's not already clear, this guy is just an attention seeker. He won't read any studies. Romulox Dec 2012 #102

Studies like this, maybe? randome Dec 2012 #105

Right. Studies published in FORBES magazine are what is needed to shed light here. Romulox Dec 2012 #109

Ya think? Oilwellian Dec 2012 #119

It was meant as a sarcastic remark. It's the first thing that came to mind. randome Dec 2012 #121

Women are still the primary caregivers of children, for the most part RainDog Dec 2012 #33

This mom abelenkpe Dec 2012 #34

And this mom completely agrees with your logic! NT Sadiedog Dec 2012 #87

This grandma agrees completely. nt Nay Dec 2012 #88

Apparently 48 percent of women don't count as women? Posteritatis Dec 2012 #35

I'm a woman and I voted for it in Colorado DevonRex Dec 2012 #39

Good for you, DevonRex. Kath1 Dec 2012 #139

I have a theory gollygee Dec 2012 #42

I wonder what the results of the poll would be if alcohol was substituted for marijuana?.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #43

If you wanted to see those results all you had to do is clink on the link in the OP. former9thward Dec 2012 #45

My question was "how many of those polled were polled via cell phone as opposed to land line?"... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #52

And you won't see that in any poll. former9thward Dec 2012 #78

Oh, okay. Riiiigggghhhtttt. LOL!! nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #80

THat has not been my experience obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #49

+1 nt Zorra Dec 2012 #98

I have no data, but I don't personally know any men who support unemployed stoner girlfriends... Recursion Dec 2012 #54

We obviously run in different circles FrodosPet Dec 2012 #95

Fear of the munchies? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2012 #56

I forget. Hang on, I think my wife knows where we put that jberryhill Dec 2012 #63

Meltable lizards? upi402 Dec 2012 #74

Who cares? TheProgressive Dec 2012 #77

huh? njcamden_25884 Dec 2012 #83

Half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #85

Lethargy? moondust Dec 2012 #86

Occam's razor: the criminal justice system isn't persecuting women over marijuana. Romulox Dec 2012 #103

So maybe the question is why do men smoke marijuana in much greater numbers than women? randome Dec 2012 #106

Nobody should have to come up with a reason NOT to be persecuted by authoritarians. Romulox Dec 2012 #107

True. I'm just curious as to whether or not there is a gender divide. randome Dec 2012 #108

As I said, the link can be right there, in the OP, and you won't read it. Romulox Dec 2012 #110

I'm talking about users of marijuana, not those who support legalization. randome Dec 2012 #112

If you want to start a different thread on a different topic, YOU research it. Romulox Dec 2012 #115

What do you believe is randome's "side"? ieoeja Dec 2012 #120

Randome supports decriminalization, not legalization. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #131

Right on the first point. Wrong on the second. randome Dec 2012 #132

In fact, there are several posts with links, upthread, to which you have failed to respond. Romulox Dec 2012 #111

I'm not really trying to 'convince' you of anything. randome Dec 2012 #117

Right. But discussion on this board usually rises above the level of Peggy Hill's musings. Romulox Dec 2012 #118

I wonder what the MOE is on that poll? It might be closer to fifty fifty, depending. MADem Dec 2012 #104

Because men don't want to program the VCR when they're stoned??? cliffordu Dec 2012 #116

or watch the kids. This is about Moms. bettyellen Dec 2012 #123

I don't know the meaning of statements like that, because the definition of "legalize" is patrice Dec 2012 #122

In short, it's the FAMILIES, dummy & women have different family responsibilities than men do. nt patrice Dec 2012 #124

Is there a case to be made for how illegality is making cannabis more available to children? patrice Dec 2012 #126

there is something that irks me. Not with your OP, but in general. robinlynne Dec 2012 #127

"I don't want my husband getting stoned and playing crappy acoustic guitar all the time?" limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #128

Maybe your husband just sucks at acoutic guitar? tridim Dec 2012 #135

LOL probably limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #136

Fuck legal. It should be mandatory for Republicans Major Nikon Dec 2012 #130

I'm a woman who thinks it should be legal. And I've never smoked it in my life, nor would I. forestpath Dec 2012 #141

I find that to be strange Berserker Dec 2012 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author JackRiddler Dec 2012 #144

Is this a gallup poll? Over half Faux pas Dec 2012 #146