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Bucky

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10. I like your principles.

Sat Aug 31, 2024, 06:21 PM

Aug 2024

"Nobody's vote should count more." But in reality, some peoples' votes do. That's our current system and I 100% think we should get rid of it. But the people we're sharing the country with are no longer people who are loyal to democracy, the rule of law, or the best interests of the United States.

Change to a popular vote system? Absolutely. Hobble ourselves and sabotage only our own political power in the mean time? That's lunacy. If anything, it creates the illusion of fixing the problem, and thus removes much of the imperative of putting in a proper fix with a Constitutional amendment.

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I'm not a fan of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact [View all] Bucky Aug 2024 OP

The popular vote winner should become president n/t servermsh Aug 2024 #1

Agree. But if Republicans don't agree to it and preserve their EC advantage, we shouldn't either Bucky Aug 2024 #8

Why would we want to preserve anyone's EC advantage over the popular vote? Think. Again. Aug 2024 #11

I'm not disputing the principle. I'm saying you're asking the wrong question. Bucky Aug 2024 #25

Dissenting states would not have to agree to the compact... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #30

The compact only goes into effect Ms. Toad Sep 2024 #41

President is the only election where someone can win without getting the most votes Wiz Imp Aug 2024 #2

I agree it *shouldn't* be a partisan issue, but in reality it actually is Bucky Aug 2024 #9

I don't think we should abandon the popular vote based on hypotheticals. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Wiz Imp Aug 2024 #22

In your hypothetical, the cryptomaggat won the popular vote - Ms. Toad Sep 2024 #42

The compact only goes into effect when the Voltaire2 Aug 2024 #3

No. The winner of the popular vote should become President. Period. Keeping the EC because it might benefit Democrats * Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #4

I like your principles. Bucky Aug 2024 #10

The compact IS a change to the popular vote system. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #13

The compact implements the principles. Period. Ms. Toad Sep 2024 #43

The pact doesn't kick in until it wouldn't be unilateral disarmament RidinWithHarris Aug 2024 #5

That's the operating theory. But is that a full guaranty against unintended consequences? Bucky Aug 2024 #14

There are no full guaranties against unintended consequences. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #15

Spoiler candidates are no more or no less of a problem with the electoral vote pact. RidinWithHarris Aug 2024 #19

I really don't want to start a whole sideline discussion but... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #31

But it's the rules... WarGamer Aug 2024 #6

Baseball is a GREAT analogy for the Electoral College Bucky Aug 2024 #17

You seem to merely have a vague ill-formed fear of the Popular Vote Interstate Compact... RidinWithHarris Aug 2024 #23

I always liked a simular sports anaology. Jk23 Sep 2024 #47

EC is one of those matters that won't change in my lifetime and probably decades afterwards. Silent Type Aug 2024 #7

The right way is to amend the Constitution to require states to award their electoral votes proportionally pecosbob Aug 2024 #16

I like that solution. Bucky Aug 2024 #18

Another way would be to build the strength we need to do that... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #20

You are devising a plan to retain power despite the popular vote... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #21

I'm not devising it. I'm saying Republicans are never going to quit defending it Bucky Aug 2024 #26

I was thinking of another word Polybius Aug 2024 #35

The compact only goes into effect once an EV majority of the states sign on. Foolacious Aug 2024 #24

Oh, I totally get how the Constitution and the Compact work. Bucky Aug 2024 #27

You do realize that a constitutional ammendment mandating the popular vote winner the winner Wiz Imp Sep 2024 #46

Uhhh, that's actual democracy. If republicans win over 50% of the national vote, they should win unblock Aug 2024 #28

It's all or nothing. Cannot be anything in between. yourout Aug 2024 #29

I hate it too, but fear not because it's blatantly unconstitutional Polybius Aug 2024 #32

100% Constitutional JCMach1 Aug 2024 #34

100% not, on two counts Polybius Aug 2024 #36

Unfortunately... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #37

Depends what the vote is Polybius Aug 2024 #40

And states need approval from Congress in order to enter into a compact with other states Kaleva Aug 2024 #38

The GOP will challenge it in court if they lose! LeftInTX Sep 2024 #44

It's called democracy and it's how most of the world does it... JCMach1 Aug 2024 #33

Then "make it go"..LOL LeftInTX Sep 2024 #45

I think it's a waste of effort The Revolution Aug 2024 #39