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In reply to the discussion: Sorry, but I am sick and tired of those professing how the AR15 or [View all]thucythucy
(9,103 posts)192. So you're saying "any rifle round"
will cause the same or worse devestating damage as demonstrated in the video?
The same or worse as what the trauma doctor describes?
So a deer hit by that ammunition will be mashed into pulp. same as demonstrated in the video?
If that's the case, then it sounds to me like you're making an argument against "hunting ammunition" as well.
I don't think anyone is arguing that "any rifle round" won't cause serious trauma.
The difference seems to be the degree of trauma. That, and the fact that an AR can deliver many more rounds in a much shorter time than your standard hunting rifle, which is what has made it the weapon of choice for so many mass shooters.
This it would seem is "the context" in which we need to frame this debate.
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Heard someone on M. Joe this am say that ARs are used to hunt "feral pigs."
allegorical oracle
Sep 2024
#5
Wow! So there are 20 million American "feral pig" hunters in the United States.
patphil
Sep 2024
#10
To destroy a ferral unwanted species. "Hunting" (at least the ethical variety) implies killing for food.
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#23
Most of those "hunters" don't harvest the meat. They're just exterminating a nuisance.
bluesbassman
Sep 2024
#20
It's like the other excuse: "I have an AR-15 to defend against a tyrannical government!"
bluesbassman
Sep 2024
#250
I imagine man-traps arranged along a hiking path would bag a few feral pigs too.
Scrivener7
Sep 2024
#78
Bullshit. I've seen it. Automatic firing of these rounds, whether .223 or .30 does incredible damage.
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#15
And when the weapon of choice for nearly all the nation's past mass killings has been the AR-15 the past decade where
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#41
I am absolutely DONE with those fixated on debating types of semiautomatic guns, bullet caliber, velocity,
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#244
Did you read the part in bold? I'm with you on the technicalities, HOWEVER
RandomNumbers
Sep 2024
#245
Bullshit. EOM. No, see my other posts and then give some thought to your defense of the AR-15
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#18
Yet another reason I beseech you to put me on your ignore list. Killing prairie dogs as "sport"...
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#27
Bullshit. You have no clue. Do some damned research on the issue and don't just take what some
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#44
I never discussed poisoning--that is ALL YOU. That might deprive you, however, of your shooting for fun.
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#56
I don't, like you, sit on the back porch killing "varmints" with your AR-15 or whatever gun du jour, so I have had time
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#67
I think your use of the word "varmint," then accusing ME of caricaturing you as Jed Clampett will make a lot
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#94
Enough of them semi-automatically directed into a body and shredding it beyond recognition is plenty lethal.
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#31
MADNESS that we are DEBATING whether ANYONE can have a WEAPON OF WAR let alone
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2024
#39
When you have seen what is left of a human shredded by semiautomatic use of an AR-15 on the autopsy table
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#50
That you want to debate one gun against another for its appropriate use in mass human killings is OBSCENE.
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#60
If repeating back to you the points you tried to make is "slander," you don't know what slander is.
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#69
All semi-automatics, yes. But the overwhelming majority of mass shootings have been AR-15s or their
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#156
It's the cartridge fired and magazine capacity that make a gun an assault weapon
Kaleva
Sep 2024
#163
If the people calling for an end to gun violence are spreading (incorrect information) disinformation,
yagotme
Sep 2024
#212
It is the high SPEED and TUMBLE of the cartridges out of an AR that causes the massive damage compared to a handgun.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#144
A .223 coming out of an AR-15 will turn deer flesh to mush just like it does to humans.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#146
A .223 out of an AR-15 tumbles when it hits flesh, unlike a standard deer rifle bullet.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#223
When you take a wry cynical comment bemoaning the death of countless children and adults in mass murder
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#242
Your personal attacks noted and beyond inappropriate. It reflects very poorly on you.
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#249
It is, the .223 round is not deemed sufficiently powerful enough to ensure a clean kill,
MarineCombatEngineer
Sep 2024
#109
A .223 coming out of an AR-15 is not a "varmint round." It's a soldier pulverizer. nt
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#267
The AR-15 is designed to spew .223 bullets at a speed that will make them tumble upon impact with flesh.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#283
You should just stop posting replies to me. You're wasting your and my time.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#291
It is you who is spreading disinformation that hurts the gun control movement. nt
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#293
Being able to put .22 and shotgun shells in AR-15s is not why they're popular, lol.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#268
What percentage of people who drove drunk killed someone? Yet it is still illegal.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#275
The proper analogy to drunk driving being illegal would be that shooting people should therefore be illegal
MichMan
Sep 2024
#285
Drunk driving is like owning an AR-15. There is no redeeming benefit to it, and it can result in death.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#286
Couple of years ago I read a study that says roughly 6% or people hunt at least once a year. To me that means about
Silent Type
Sep 2024
#6
Are they hunting thirty deer at a time, all of whom are capable of shooting back?
Aristus
Sep 2024
#7
Then you've missed the pro-AR-15 crowd after every attempt to bring back the ban. I am shocked you have
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#12
And THAT is the stupidest claim of all. Those Meal Team Six slugs with their dude ranch AR's ain't deterring crap.
bluesbassman
Sep 2024
#30
One of the times I went deer hunting, I could hear someone using an assault rifle.
Archae
Sep 2024
#9
You can always live the life that decreases your chances of being killed too. Isn't that better than poisoning all of ..
uponit7771
Sep 2024
#238
Exactly what I told another member in either this thread or another thread,
MarineCombatEngineer
Sep 2024
#128
That's a misleading claim, Kaleva. The AR-15 sold to civilians is a replica of the M16.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#145
There is no "confusion." AR-15 rifles were originally designed for the military.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#150
All of these AR-15 style rifles have their origins in Stoner's assault rifle invention he made for the military.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#218
Sick, greedy gun manufacturers took a military weapon and marketed it to civilians.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#225
I noticed they only used a AR-15 and not any other rifle chambered to fire the .223 round
Kaleva
Sep 2024
#232
The results were NOT the same, Kaleva. The .308 in your video did not tumble.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#233
If Stephen Paddock had been using a bolt action rifle, he would not have been able to kill 60 and wound 413 in Vegas.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#255
Yes, you know, I've decided I need my own M1A1 Abrams TANK to hunt squirrels! n/t
PatrickforB
Sep 2024
#46
Here is the little I know about what our military consider weapons of war. In 1965 early 1966 I was being trained as....
usaf-vet
Sep 2024
#52
They are great for hunting and efficiently killing large numbers of humans in a short amount of time
dlk
Sep 2024
#70
Well, I was in the military too. I was with 101st. But I don't hunt, but I do know what the M-16 could do.
ashredux
Sep 2024
#176
Come on man... you know why 90% of the people by the weapon. To shoot other people. Period.
ashredux
Sep 2024
#190
Well, when you can say that someone in a car can go into a high school and kill multiple people in minutes...
ashredux
Sep 2024
#197
Please, at all three of those venues you could mow more people down on the sidewalk out front..
EX500rider
Sep 2024
#271
Nope. The "why" is we equip our homicidal loons with AR-15s, unlike other countries.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#272
I'll tell ya, some of the bullshit I'm reading in this thread baffles me,
MarineCombatEngineer
Sep 2024
#75
What an AR-15 (and similar) CAN DO and DID in these mass shootings from the Congressional Record, no less:
hlthe2b
Sep 2024
#77
How could I be looking for an argument? You already said you were not going to speak on
Scrivener7
Sep 2024
#87
That doesn't really make sense, and what I said was not an innuendo. I stated it pretty directly.
Scrivener7
Sep 2024
#92
Well then, you are directly wholly ignorant of what my hobbies are.
MarineCombatEngineer
Sep 2024
#93
If a person can't hit a deer with a regular rifle or small game with a shotgun, they should not be in the woods.
appleannie1
Sep 2024
#97
Most states ban the use of the .223 round for deer hunting, it's not powerful enough ensure
MarineCombatEngineer
Sep 2024
#99
Yes they do, and I was just getting ready to post such a reply to another post here,
MarineCombatEngineer
Sep 2024
#111
I was told that you have to hunt with a shotgun here in Delaware, we are very small state bullets travel too far
Walleye
Sep 2024
#157
It seems to me that the people who are explaining guns are interested in helping us be accurate
LauraInLA
Sep 2024
#136
Except some of these "explanations" are misleading and derail conversations.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#153
For deer, I'd prefer the more powerful AR10 which is chambered to fire more powerful rounds
Kaleva
Sep 2024
#141
I'll just add my 2 cents on the subject. While I haven't hunted or lived in a rural area for years
captain queeg
Sep 2024
#155
The AR15 is a weapon of war...some kid themselves by putting different bullets in but it is not a hunting weapon.
Demsrule86
Sep 2024
#165
A simple question: Why don't any other advanced nations have this problem? We all know the answer.
Doodley
Sep 2024
#180
AR-15 style rifle is the majority/plurality preferred weapon for hunting and killing unarmed school children.
keithbvadu2
Sep 2024
#181
Yet, 250 people shot every weekend with handguns gets less attention here than a AR15 shooting with a few victims
MichMan
Sep 2024
#252
AR-15 style assault rifles were the weapon of choice in our nation's worst (highest death) mass shootings.
SunSeeker
Sep 2024
#270
Have you noticed how defenders of assault weapons point to the mixed stats on whether
Sibelius Fan
Sep 2024
#276
I think it's time to stop letting humpers out of the gungeon after mass shootings.
Scrivener7
Sep 2024
#278