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16. I did, and the recent evidence suggests you are incorrect

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 10:46 AM

Sep 2024

The 5 - 10 pct comes from a 2009 study. More recent evidence is stronger. This is from Stanford:

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/03/alcoholics-anonymous-most-effective-path-to-alcohol-abstinence.html

Academic paper here:
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD012880.pub2/full

On a personal level, my son suffers from mental illness and drug addiction. He’s on his meds and clean/sober for a few years now. He would not have made it this far and done so well without NA. Twelve Step programs are not a panacea, but they are invaluable for millions of people around the world.

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Angela Davis quote: "I am no longer accepting the things I cannot change. [View all] Irish_Dem Sep 2024 OP

This is a reference to The Serenity Prayer. Funtatlaguy Sep 2024 #1

Yes exactly. She is calling it BS. Change what needs to be changed. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #2

Yes. I think Michelle Obama also pivoted Funtatlaguy Sep 2024 #3

Yes the helpless routine is getting old. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #4

In some ways, it already has. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Sep 2024 #5

Yes the damage is incalculable. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #8

I don't see it that way: "the courage to change the things I can" means there is a lot that can be changed ColinC Sep 2024 #10

Been there, done that. AA sucks. Funtatlaguy Sep 2024 #14

That's fair. Although I have seen it work well for some people, and there is a success rate that I guess is enough to ColinC Sep 2024 #15

I prefer the Humanist point of view... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #30

I mean... same idea. But organization is part of utilizing our power. ColinC Sep 2024 #31

Refusing to accept is a necessary step to achieve change Martin Eden Sep 2024 #12

Angela Davis has always been the voice leftyladyfrommo Sep 2024 #6

The quote in the OP isn't from her, though. See reply 17. highplainsdem Sep 2024 #18

12 steps programs have little long term success. multigraincracker Sep 2024 #7

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2024 #11

Studies have shown the overall success rates for AA at 5% to 10%. multigraincracker Sep 2024 #13

I did, and the recent evidence suggests you are incorrect Chasing Dreams Sep 2024 #16

If you are changing them then clearly they were not "things you cannot change" ColinC Sep 2024 #9

This is the point of the quote. We are told lies all the time Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #25

That WASN'T said by Angela Davis, but by counterculture cartoonist and epigrammatist Ashleigh Brilliant highplainsdem Sep 2024 #17

I will keep the quote and authorship as is until I investigate further. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #19

It's nothing to do with gender Jk23 Sep 2024 #20

You miss the point of my OP entirely. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #23

That "unknown male" was a syndicated cartoonist and doesn't deserve to be belittled. And highplainsdem Sep 2024 #22

Angela lived the quote. The man just ran his mouth. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #24

It's really disappointing that you would run him down this way. Those words are inspirational, which highplainsdem Sep 2024 #32

Your research is thorough. Thank you for your efforts. John1956PA Sep 2024 #26

You're welcome! All social media platforms have lots of misattributed quotes - the highplainsdem Sep 2024 #34

Angela Davis has always been an agent leftyladyfrommo Sep 2024 #28

The words are fine. Crediting them to the wrong person isn't. highplainsdem Sep 2024 #33

Indeed. It's off anyway for a Marxist. Voltaire2 Sep 2024 #27

Good points. highplainsdem Sep 2024 #35

Serenity prayer wildflowergardener Sep 2024 #21

Did she say it ,maybe bottomofthehill Sep 2024 #29

???? That quote isn't from the Serenity Prayer (it's apparently a response to it), and the Serenity Prayer isn't highplainsdem Sep 2024 #36