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thucythucy

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7. The notion that there were no school shootings "back in the day" is a myth.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 01:17 PM
Sep 2024

I couldn't easily find data going back seventy years, but here's some going back to 1970:

https://www.chds.us/sssc/charts-graphs/

Here's some data, sparse as it is, going back further than that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)#1940s

It's important to note that reliable crime statistics weren't even kept until the 1960s. And even these were less than all-inclusive. The FBI didn't begin compiling its Uniform Crime Report until the mid-1930s. The resulting system had serious flaws, which weren't addressed until the whole system was reformed in the mid-1980s. Most recently, gun enthusiasts have severely limited the ability of the federal government to do adequate research on gun violence, because the results of that research upset their fee fees. Then too, before the advent of social media, most gun violence, including school shootings, remained a local story.

There has been a marked increase in school shootings in the last twenty to thirty years, in large part due to how the US has been flooded with guns in that time, especially since the Supreme Court gutted most sensible gun measures. As you point out, a part of this increase was in the availability of semi-automatic weapons, which have come down in price to the extent that most anyone can buy one. These are the weapons of choice for mass shooters, which because of the Supreme Court and Republican inaction in Congress are now available to most anyone, including adolescents and people with a history of threats and violence.

So now you answer the question: if it's "people" not guns, how is it the US is alone among developed nations in this plague of gun violence? As has been pointed out again and again, all the nations I cited have people, video games, violent movies, issues with mental illness, economic stressors, and every other problem of the modern era you can cite. What they don't have is a culture flooded with hundreds of millions of guns, certainly not the semi-automatic weapons, like the one used by the 14 year old in the most recent school shooting in Georgia.

What makes people in those countries so different from Americans? Are you saying we are a uniquely murderous people?






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it's the Guns [View all] AmBlue Sep 2024 OP
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2024 #1
Yah, it's the gun markie Sep 2024 #2
No, sorry, it is not the guns, it is people. republianmushroom Sep 2024 #3
Yeah, because there are no people thucythucy Sep 2024 #5
70 years ago, when I was in school, there was never a school shooting, republianmushroom Sep 2024 #6
The notion that there were no school shootings "back in the day" is a myth. thucythucy Sep 2024 #7
There was just lately a killing in Europe of 7 people with a knife, was it the knife or was it the person? republianmushroom Sep 2024 #8
Avoiding the question yet again. thucythucy Sep 2024 #9
Thank you for your clear, concise arguments. AmBlue Sep 2024 #10
You blame the gun, I blame the person, I will not change your mind and you will not change mine. republianmushroom Sep 2024 #11
Yes, the guns will still be out there, thucythucy Sep 2024 #12
People are the deciding factor guns are only the means. republianmushroom Sep 2024 #16
So what's the point of any sort of arms control ever? thucythucy Sep 2024 #18
Answer to your question. republianmushroom Sep 2024 #20
So in fact it IS the guns, or the lack thereof, that has and is making the difference. thucythucy Sep 2024 #22
WTI hatrack Sep 2024 #17
You can kill someone with a fucking frying pan edisdead Sep 2024 #14
Well I agree, but, who's common sense, yours or mine, pal ? republianmushroom Sep 2024 #15
By my measure on this issue you have zero edisdead Sep 2024 #21
That was an AR-15, not a pistol. aocommunalpunch Sep 2024 #13
Of course it's the guns. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2024 #4
Some more about this issue: thucythucy Sep 2024 #19
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