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172. huh, just heard. Psy's covering Shin Hae Cheol's band N.E.X.T.

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:28 AM

Dec 2012

it's like covering... Public Enemy or Ice T or Beatles or Black Sabbath or any other utterly seminal artist that has a corpus of controversial songs.

Shin Hae Cheol was, and still prides himself in being, a major bad boy from the Korean music scene. i absolutely love his early work. though i admit he does come off as abrasive, even in his live N.E.X.T. sets. but that's the nature of the artist: he has an opinion, he's free to do so, he also makes great art, listeners learn to deal.

to lay this all on Psy's feet for doing a cover is misplaced at best. it's probably FOX sour grapes at anything foreign coming to our shores successfully. besides, covering a controversial song from a legendary artist at a rather timely context isn't bad -- it's artistically appropriate and engaging use of art.

letting one's delicate sensibilities rattle from this, well, it's your free choice to react (or overreact, in my view) as you please.

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Oh NOES!1! A South Korean rapper said something bad about our TROOPS!!!11!! [View all] Taverner Dec 2012 OP

Link? Reference? I can't read your mind. MADem Dec 2012 #1

Well exactly Taverner Dec 2012 #2

Here: Dr. Strange Dec 2012 #4

Considering what our "brave boys and girls" have been doing overseas Taverner Dec 2012 #7

I'm angry too. Dr. Strange Dec 2012 #12

No - but you can see where that anger comes from Taverner Dec 2012 #18

If it weren't for "American Imperialism" AlexSatan Dec 2012 #25

Well, if SK had built up their military instead of relying on ours... Taverner Dec 2012 #27

In 1950 there was a very real threat hack89 Dec 2012 #30

Oh, so you support countries spending more AlexSatan Dec 2012 #33

No I just don't support our self appointed role as World Police Taverner Dec 2012 #34

As always, wrong. AlexSatan Dec 2012 #42

As usual, straw men and hyperbole Taverner Dec 2012 #46

Wow. Just Wow. AlexSatan Dec 2012 #50

Well considering you were brainwashed by the best (the US Military) Taverner Dec 2012 #51

Really? You taught the brainwashing? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #52

One million dead Iraqis. Countless maime, some tortured to death, others scarred sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #166

Wait a minute,'As always wrong'?? Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #184

So why are we still in SK? Daniel537 Dec 2012 #54

Not at all AlexSatan Dec 2012 #61

Occupying their country? That would be a surprise to the Government of South Korea.... MADem Dec 2012 #160

Oh . . . Jack Rabbit Dec 2012 #69

Hey, Jack. A bit of background... Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #170

Agree--with a correction pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #171

Psy talentless? WTF?? lbrtbell Dec 2012 #177

Thanks, Violet Jack Rabbit Dec 2012 #182

"Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers ...Kill them all slowly and painfully " rollin74 Dec 2012 #95

Wow! At least our American rappers never advocate violence against women KamaAina Dec 2012 #116

Thanks for taking the time to give me the context/explanation. MADem Dec 2012 #130

The additional context that a lot of people seem to be ignoring.. Posteritatis Dec 2012 #142

He has also apologized for his harsh language. I think this will blow over. MADem Dec 2012 #145

And an actual "I recognize the not-coolness of what I said" apology too; nice. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #151

Yep--it was for real, not one of those "If I offended anyone..." mealymouth things! nt MADem Dec 2012 #156

Bill O'Reilly threw a tantrum about Gangnam Style and the media got out their knives. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #139

Psy's beautifully composed apology must be ruining Bill's day. MADem Dec 2012 #146

I actually imagine everyone frothing about this will simply ignore that, sadly. Posteritatis Dec 2012 #147

Probably true; but also probably the same crew that believes that MADem Dec 2012 #158

Call the police? No AlexSatan Dec 2012 #3

"Women" didn't kill an innocent Afghani family Taverner Dec 2012 #5

"Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers" Union Scribe Dec 2012 #8

Women have killed plenty of people AlexSatan Dec 2012 #13

OK - you might want to sit down for this Taverner Dec 2012 #16

Ignorance is not a virtue AlexSatan Dec 2012 #23

My eyes are rolling so back into my head, it hurts... Taverner Dec 2012 #28

Yep, we do invade countries AlexSatan Dec 2012 #40

Look, just drop the pretense and admit you like war Taverner Dec 2012 #41

When you stop beating your wife. (nt) AlexSatan Dec 2012 #43

And what "geo-political objective" did we get out of Iraq? Daniel537 Dec 2012 #55

Does it matter? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #68

Oh, i disagree. It went exactly as Bush wanted. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #72

Um, actually, he wanted a quick victory AlexSatan Dec 2012 #81

Please. Bush knew there was nothing in Iraq. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #86

How many years AlexSatan Dec 2012 #89

That's the thing, i didn't need any clearance or experience Daniel537 Dec 2012 #92

Actually AlexSatan Dec 2012 #100

Yep, they were wrong, we were right. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #110

You implied AlexSatan Dec 2012 #123

I actually did some reading around that time. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #125

Just because they were not found AlexSatan Dec 2012 #128

Lol, please don't tell me you think Saddam sent the WMDs to Syria? Daniel537 Dec 2012 #132

Nope AlexSatan Dec 2012 #135

You're either lying about your background in military intelligence or you coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #168

Have you even read the classified NIE? (nt) AlexSatan Dec 2012 #173

Lol. Are you trying to be funny? Bush wanted to remove the threat of WMDs in Iraq??? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #167

Power projection is the term most often used. MADem Dec 2012 #161

I'll be fucked! That Lynndie England person at Abu Ghraib sure LOOKED like a woman! 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #64

Abu Ghraib was an equal opportunity clusterfuck. MADem Dec 2012 #159

:facepalm: Earth_First Dec 2012 #9

HE DID NOT WRITE THAT LYRIC lbrtbell Dec 2012 #178

Who said he did? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #181

Looking like a clown in the thread itself wasn't enough eh? Union Scribe Dec 2012 #6

i'm getting a good chuckle over this guy making a fool of himself... dionysus Dec 2012 #10

I'm getting a good chuckle watching all you hoo-ra types defending our atrocities Taverner Dec 2012 #17

you're not doing a very good job of putting words in other people's mouths you know. dionysus Dec 2012 #19

Hey I'm not the one throwing around insults...that's you Taverner Dec 2012 #29

I can condemn atrocities and still feel ... hack89 Dec 2012 #39

Oh forgot, "America, fuck yeah!!! Boot in their ass!!! Love it or leave it!!!" Taverner Dec 2012 #14

you illustrate just beautifully simplistic black/white thinking, honey. cali Dec 2012 #20

I'm confused, your post doesn't make sense to me Taverner Dec 2012 #31

That's hardly surprising, somehow. MineralMan Dec 2012 #105

I knew you'd be digging into your insult bag soon enough Taverner Dec 2012 #106

nothing shows how peaceful and anti war you are like defending the notion of torture killings... dionysus Dec 2012 #21

No I just don't buy into the military fetishism you warmongers like so much Taverner Dec 2012 #32

there you go, flailing again dionysus Dec 2012 #35

Hmmm, defending your opinion is "flailing" - I'll remember that now Taverner Dec 2012 #36

carry on with your tantrum. dionysus Dec 2012 #37

There you go again with your tantrum Taverner Dec 2012 #38

"I know you are but what am I"? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #45

When a monkey throws shit at you, throw it back Taverner Dec 2012 #47

Unless you are evolved AlexSatan Dec 2012 #49

Please continue, guvnor... MineralMan Dec 2012 #59

So you are more outraged by these lyrics, than the atrocities our military commits every day Taverner Dec 2012 #62

No. You're incorrect. MineralMan Dec 2012 #65

+1 AlexSatan Dec 2012 #70

No, I do this little excersize called "put yourself in their shoes" Taverner Dec 2012 #71

Ah, but you're not in that position. MineralMan Dec 2012 #76

I see. Well, I recently bought a car made in South Korea. MineralMan Dec 2012 #83

The Hate USA crowd. william cail Dec 2012 #153

Your empty jingoism is amusing Taverner Dec 2012 #154

Please. stranger81 Dec 2012 #183

Remember that song with "we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way"? alp227 Dec 2012 #169

Is this guy worth defending to this extent? TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #11

To be honest, I don't give a rats ass about PSY Taverner Dec 2012 #15

These days PSY is looking at our empire with rose colored glasses. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #174

He said it in 2002, as we were torturing the shit out of people bhikkhu Dec 2012 #163

you are going to need some fainting couches quinnox Dec 2012 #22

As opposed to the pearl clutching when our troops are honored? great white snark Dec 2012 #26

You know, Democrats are allowed to support the troops. It in no way makes us more like Repubs. great white snark Dec 2012 #24

Yes, and that's why folks who support our troops oppose foreign occupations Daniel537 Dec 2012 #53

i was going to suggest him for Sec. of State Enrique Dec 2012 #44

Darn! And we're so overdue for Gangnam-Style diplomacy. pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #48

'Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers ' MineralMan Dec 2012 #56

+1 PennsylvaniaMatt Dec 2012 #60

Apparently not for some here, though. MineralMan Dec 2012 #63

Get over it. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #75

Of course that was disgusting. I thought so at the time. MineralMan Dec 2012 #79

This isn't the military, i'm not giving you orders, just advice. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #87

Oh, advice. Well, then. MineralMan Dec 2012 #94

I'll give advice to whom i wish, and you can do as you please with it. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #98

I can't remember, were the ones AlexSatan Dec 2012 #101

Yeah you know, the US military has this thing Daniel537 Dec 2012 #115

Yep AlexSatan Dec 2012 #121

Oh, I will do as I please, certainly. MineralMan Dec 2012 #104

He must hate America a LOT then AlexSatan Dec 2012 #82

Americans get outraged over lyrics. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #57

+1000 Taverner Dec 2012 #58

So, tell us whether or not you approve of MineralMan Dec 2012 #73

He's not my hero - and you guys accuse me of being binary, black and white Taverner Dec 2012 #99

You can sympathize with an opinion MineralMan Dec 2012 #102

Go ahead, put words in my mouth. Tell your employer it's hippie punching time. Taverner Dec 2012 #108

My employer? I haven't had one of those since 1974. MineralMan Dec 2012 #111

Most of us here have you figured out Taverner Dec 2012 #112

Really? You think I work for the DNC? MineralMan Dec 2012 #117

Considering how everything you've ever said has been a DNC talking point... Taverner Dec 2012 #119

Boy, have you misread. MineralMan Dec 2012 #122

No, I just know a con job when I see or read it Taverner Dec 2012 #152

You don't know shit. MineralMan Dec 2012 #157

I never accused you of alerting on me Taverner Dec 2012 #164

Sorry you had a bad day. Truly. MineralMan Dec 2012 #165

No I don't approve lbrtbell Dec 2012 #179

Ditto. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #77

Ever been to S. Korea AlexSatan Dec 2012 #74

I don't believe anybody but US citizens should be setting our foreign policy, first of all. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #78

And what makes you think that? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #84

Now, see, you're confusing that poster with actual information. MineralMan Dec 2012 #85

Lol, information? Daniel537 Dec 2012 #93

How does "maintain an alliance" translate into having thousands of troops occupying their country? Daniel537 Dec 2012 #91

Yes, they did withdraw them AlexSatan Dec 2012 #107

Lol, nice way to spin things. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #113

Yep AlexSatan Dec 2012 #118

Lol, not even close. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #124

Under what definition it "gradually" AlexSatan Dec 2012 #129

Under what definition is significant? Daniel537 Dec 2012 #134

Most people have functioning brains AlexSatan Dec 2012 #136

Most people also have reading comprehension skills Daniel537 Dec 2012 #140

Um, OK AlexSatan Dec 2012 #144

The current plan is that the ROK will be self sufficient in defense in another few years jberryhill Dec 2012 #88

Not according to Sung Kim AlexSatan Dec 2012 #96

And that's the problem. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #97

"FU, I've got mine" AlexSatan Dec 2012 #103

So you think we need to fight wars on behalf of other countries? Daniel537 Dec 2012 #109

England and France AlexSatan Dec 2012 #114

Ah yes, the WWII card. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #120

Um, we have a lot fewer troops AlexSatan Dec 2012 #126

Well, if you support a US military presence in South Korea Daniel537 Dec 2012 #127

So you believe fighting is the same as command? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #131

Oh yes, of course, because the only US troops who will do the fighting are the ones in SK Daniel537 Dec 2012 #133

Yep more would be sent AlexSatan Dec 2012 #137

Well with your expertise Daniel537 Dec 2012 #138

At least he didn't use the "N" word or try to say something witty about rape slackmaster Dec 2012 #66

Well if this offends you you probably shouldn't listen to the Coup, Immortal Technique, Public Enemy craigmatic Dec 2012 #67

I recently discovered Immortal Technique Posteritatis Dec 2012 #143

They say rage against the machine is pretty good. craigmatic Dec 2012 #148

RATM I'd discovered some time ago. ;) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #149

And that one was interesting - I like how he kind of left the ending hanging Posteritatis Dec 2012 #150

True but the best thing about them is that it's leftist music that you can dance to. craigmatic Dec 2012 #155

I get tired of media contrived "problems" get the red out Dec 2012 #80

Especially when they have to dig back a decade to find something to get outraged over. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #141

Code brown?! Uh oh. Yer gonna need this.... bunnies Dec 2012 #90

He said it in 2002, as we were filling guantanamo and torturing the shit out of people bhikkhu Dec 2012 #162

huh, just heard. Psy's covering Shin Hae Cheol's band N.E.X.T. NuttyFluffers Dec 2012 #172

+1,000,000,000 lbrtbell Dec 2012 #180

Looks like he just killed a big chunk of his new fan-base. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #175

Psy DID NOT WRITE THOSE LYRICS! lbrtbell Dec 2012 #176