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MADem

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85. Well, here's how I see it--he has the same rights as any other citizen in this nation.

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:41 PM

Dec 2012

If the voters don't want him as a Dem, he won't be selected as the nominee, he won't be elected, and the good people of Florida will quite likely have to put up with Scott for yet another term. And the good people of AMERICA will have to "sweat Florida" in four years' time, because the gubernatorial infrastructure will work against us at every fucking turn. More voter suppression, fewer polling places, more voter purges...yeah, that'll help us win that electoral prize, NOT.

The guy has name recognition. He could be helpful to our goal of securing FL in 2016, if he makes it through the primary and defeats Scott. That's my priority.

I believe in the big tent, I believe in redemption, I believe in wisdom coming with years for many people, and I believe that people can, and often do, change (Senator Byrd is a quite notable example).

You have a right to your opinion, and I have a right to mine--we'll not be agreeing on this issue, apparently.

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And this is how the Democratic party gets pulled ever further rightward. [View all] MadHound Dec 2012 OP

I agree completely CanonRay Dec 2012 #1

THANK YOU, and goodluck elehhhhna Dec 2012 #92

Badcop/worsecop Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #183

do! elehhhhna Dec 2012 #187

If you wanna get sick Union Scribe Dec 2012 #2

The reason people are optimistic on this website, is because they might get their posts Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #41

Charlie gutted our paper ballot laws in fla when he gave us a paper trail... SugarShack Dec 2012 #53

ain't buying into it, just because a person switches from R to D ... zbdent Dec 2012 #60

sigh....yeah the country is going more conservative.....DOOOOMMMM!!!! alphafemale Dec 2012 #3

Funny how RW libertarians support both gay marriage and pot legalization, MadHound Dec 2012 #6

No kidding. jsr Dec 2012 #11

Errrr, So I'm to believe Washington and Colorado Iggy Dec 2012 #30

yet the feds have been letting hundreds of dispensaries operate in CO. uncle ray Dec 2012 #96

You're Forgetting a Biggie... Iggy Dec 2012 #110

At least the SPD has been instructed to issue only verbal warnings if someone is smoking gateley Dec 2012 #156

I Want to Be Positive About This... Iggy Dec 2012 #157

It has the potential of becoming a nightmare, but we may tweak this and work through gateley Dec 2012 #158

+1 arely staircase Dec 2012 #37

That's NOT what the OP said! truebluegreen Dec 2012 #49

Who knows? Maybe he did have that "epiphany?" MADem Dec 2012 #56

OK, that's fair truebluegreen Dec 2012 #72

I'd rather have a crappy "Dem" governor in FL than any GOP one. MADem Dec 2012 #79

+1 SunSeeker Dec 2012 #114

Maybe he had an "epiphany?" I don't care. At most, let him be an ordinary voter. Instead, AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #76

Well, here's how I see it--he has the same rights as any other citizen in this nation. MADem Dec 2012 #85

Are you kidding? Are you a serious thinker? He has MORE rights than ordinary citizens. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #100

Look, you are interested in hot-breathed hectoring, I'm not. MADem Dec 2012 #111

Wrong. You are claiming that I want to do something that exists only in your imagination. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #119

Don't you know? Oilwellian Dec 2012 #130

Quite frankly, I find it odd. Are all such defenders victims of the Stockholm syndrome? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #133

There you go again--all snark, zero substance. MADem Dec 2012 #140

you should stop projecting fascisthunter Dec 2012 #175

Oh please. I'm a Ted Kennedy/Elizabeth Warren Democrat. MADem Dec 2012 #139

I'm sure he'll cry into his pillow every night that he didn't get your endorsement. MADem Dec 2012 #137

If he had the same rights as ordinary citizens we would have found a true Progressive Democrat sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #118

That makes NO SENSE. None. MADem Dec 2012 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #135

go powder your prissy nose upper crust fascisthunter Dec 2012 #174

Not the country, the politicians quakerboy Dec 2012 #186

Here's another problem: Harry Truman Cold Warriors and the Dixiecrat wings leveymg Dec 2012 #4

Excellent post! You "get it"!! bravo! n/t SylviaD Dec 2012 #52

"All is Well at the Political Menagerie" NobodyInParticular Dec 2012 #65

+10000 heaven05 Dec 2012 #5

Red State, Blue City queentonic Dec 2012 #7

Interesting and thoughtful piece, however, MadHound Dec 2012 #9

4 paragraphs. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #15

I posted it for you. See the link RKP5637 Dec 2012 #33

Thanks queentonic Dec 2012 #168

Yep, DU has some wonderful people!!! I spend a fair amount of time here, probably RKP5637 Dec 2012 #172

The other aspect of this is Blue President / Red House... reACTIONary Dec 2012 #71

Isn't This Just More Inconvenient Proof That Iggy Dec 2012 #8

Both parties are capitalist and pro-war davidn3600 Dec 2012 #17

far right and center right... tomp Dec 2012 #20

Agreed. There IS no "center-left" party, even though........ socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #51

'....there is little to no "left" left.' CrispyQ Dec 2012 #68

+1 leftstreet Dec 2012 #78

BEENGO!! Iggy Dec 2012 #23

"We don't have a true left-wing party in America." +10000% SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2012 #27

And the only reason they allowed an FDR in the first place was truebluegreen Dec 2012 #54

"But I don't think they will make that mistake again." CrispyQ Dec 2012 #73

Thank you! truebluegreen Dec 2012 #165

Beautiful Boulder County! CrispyQ Dec 2012 #184

!!! My home town!!! truebluegreen Dec 2012 #185

Very Well Put Iggy Dec 2012 #115

Thank you, truebluegreen Dec 2012 #166

"Imagine what this world and country would be like if..." Iggy Dec 2012 #180

By now, LBJ would be considered "leftist." Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #101

When it comes to issues of $$$$$ I think A = B for the most part. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #34

and being center left myself arely staircase Dec 2012 #39

i know, right arely staircase Dec 2012 #47

We lack Democrats like this: Selatius Dec 2012 #10

That speech is like poetry, I get goosebumps every time I hear it. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #19

I wish I had a picture of the people who poured out of the Triangle Shirtwaist jtuck004 Dec 2012 #21

Yep... After Seeing the Incredible Film Lincoln Iggy Dec 2012 #26

I think the difference between today and 100 years ago rhett o rick Dec 2012 #75

Slight Quibble... Iggy Dec 2012 #113

I wont quibble about that. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #152

Juice. As up-to-date as the latest hand-held. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #102

Oh we have them still kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #116

Correct - Once in a While a Great Leader Stands Up Against Iggy Dec 2012 #181

That was my first thought as well! fredamae Dec 2012 #12

Ignored? Lucky you. When I've complained, it seems to have generated more money requests. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #121

I think you might be incorrect when you suggest jtuck004 Dec 2012 #13

It only works if the voters buy into it with their votes. NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #14

That's exactly why the voters are not given an option. America, like other nations all over the Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #104

K&R (n/t) a2liberal Dec 2012 #16

You WILL shut up, and you WILL like the candidate we run! A Simple Game Dec 2012 #18

Yeah, Eat Your Peas jsr Dec 2012 #22

simple game agree with you 100 pecent dembotoz Dec 2012 #25

Good post. n/t rudycantfail Dec 2012 #69

Outstanding reply. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #77

I live in New York so it doesn't really matter who I vote for in the Presidential column. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #128

Harr! CrispyQ Dec 2012 #144

I can testify that it worked at least once. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2012 #147

Eat your brussels sprouts, you unreconstituted gulag! derby378 Dec 2012 #149

+1 Well put. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #169

I don't think Pete Shumlin, head of the DGA, will allow him to run on those positions. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #24

That hasn't happened before, MadHound Dec 2012 #29

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #122

du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2012 #28

these folks don't just pull parties just by declaring their allegiance bigtree Dec 2012 #31

In Britain, they have the Tories, Labour, and the "Lib Dems" OmahaBlueDog Dec 2012 #32

I don't think John2 Dec 2012 #48

You seem to think just fine OmahaBlueDog Dec 2012 #64

Well, John2 Dec 2012 #93

Bravo! Well said and so true. n/t Hotler Dec 2012 #35

Rick Scott has to go! He is an abomination. Crist can beat him, maybe? But FL is strange! CarmanK Dec 2012 #36

So you think we should kick out eveyone not as ideologically pure as you? brooklynite Dec 2012 #38

We can actually keep Crist honest. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #43

No, that is NOT what the poster is saying fascisthunter Dec 2012 #59

It has worked well for the Republicans. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #125

Very happy to see this hasn't been hidden yet. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #40

The alternative is a the formation of a new and large centrist political party Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #42

I totally agree. Without Moderates, the democratic party doesn't have power. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #134

The Democratic party needs to stop accepting converts from the Rethug party. Crowman1979 Dec 2012 #44

Amen jsr Dec 2012 #58

Ah, the awfull truth comes out at time. Nice post. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #45

Crist must be really powerful for you to go to that space. Skidmore Dec 2012 #46

My opinion: It's all about the money. "money makes the world go around, mountain grammy Dec 2012 #50

K&R Crist's "conversion" is simply an FU to Repubs who don't want him MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #55

I think you need to consider geography thesquanderer Dec 2012 #57

It's not advocating for a third party IF...... socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #61

Excellent post, I agree, thank you. Zorra Dec 2012 #62

In the current political environment.. yes, winning is everything. DCBob Dec 2012 #63

The Democratic party moved rightward all by itself in spite of many of us pleading and begging. madfloridian Dec 2012 #66

+1 leftstreet Dec 2012 #88

Hell, he's left of Cory Booker on education. Yep, I said it. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #146

Oh yeh, way left of Cory Booker. madfloridian Dec 2012 #153

Not all by itself. Not by a long shot. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #171

+1. nt historylovr Dec 2012 #67

It's post makes me wonder... savebigbird Dec 2012 #70

IMO the GOP is about to die and the Democratic Party will split. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #74

I agree. The democratic party will continue to grow then split into two parties that will contest bluestate10 Dec 2012 #136

Didn't the leaders in both parties agree to give hundreds of billions to the banksters instead of AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #80

Excellent thread. Some heads will explode here in Rivercity tho. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #81

They are John2 Dec 2012 #98

What? - more anti-Democratic Party horseshit? jpak Dec 2012 #82

Snark w/o substance. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #90

''Moderation in temper is always a virtue. Moderation in principle is always a vice." Tom Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #83

Some here dont care about a politician's principles. If they are Democratic they are golden. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #94

How much of this is the culmination of another thucythucy Dec 2012 #84

More "not a dime's worth of difference" "lesser of two evils" nonsense... SidDithers Dec 2012 #86

More "Let's have one big happy Democratic Party", nonsense... rhett o rick Dec 2012 #89

I'm not sure that the Canadian is saying that. I think that he is saying "Those of you in the States AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #131

I stand corrected. I think he is just trying to be helpful. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #154

Even the addition of Warren & Grayson doesn't matter to some. great white snark Dec 2012 #112

Warren, Grayson, the AFL-CIO and Sanders who votes with the Democrats are all fools! freshwest Dec 2012 #170

As a Canadian, are you eligible to be a Democrat? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #127

It's happening now. LWolf Dec 2012 #87

I'm not sure... sendero Dec 2012 #91

Outside of possibly defeating Mark Rubio in 2016, I don't know what impact this will have LynneSin Dec 2012 #95

I get the argument but . . . TomClash Dec 2012 #97

I agree with every word! Crist knew what the Republican Party was when he forestpath Dec 2012 #99

Florida does have primaries last time I checked dsc Dec 2012 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #132

As a straight white male with a decent job, I also have that luxury Recursion Dec 2012 #105

The Democratic coalition is growing inspite of, and not because of, conservative intervention in our Zorra Dec 2012 #109

The public sentiment has changed on many of those issues Zambero Dec 2012 #106

Littler Evilism has it's merits Prophet 451 Dec 2012 #107

Here across the pond, we got rid of "the scumbag Tories" a long time ago. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #120

Turned from a civic duty to determine how our nation conducts itself and for whom, into a team sport Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #108

A major Republican who bucked the GOP has joined our party. madfloridian Dec 2012 #117

I supported Crist against Rubio, because of his Moderate record. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #138

We did also.. madfloridian Dec 2012 #151

I completely disagree with you Hound. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #126

Because Crist is now the leader of the party, and every Democrat must follow him jeff47 Dec 2012 #129

CORRECT Skittles Dec 2012 #141

Except that I have met and talked with Charlie Crist numerous times and have friends who have known stevenleser Dec 2012 #142

Sorry, but you're wrong, actually Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #143

Patrick Murphy was a Republican in 2011. hay rick Dec 2012 #145

Look at the bright side Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #148

You're assuming he brings those views with him Hippo_Tron Dec 2012 #150

When Democrats become Republicans, ProSense Dec 2012 #155

At first I thought . . . Utopian Leftist Dec 2012 #159

They are creating a political vacuum but there is no telling what is going to fill it. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #160

Real Democrats Don't Vote Crist. nt TeamPooka Dec 2012 #161

I'm torn here...... Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #162

Kinda ironic PatrynXX Dec 2012 #163

Please respond to this poll: ProSense Dec 2012 #164

DURec! bvar22 Dec 2012 #167

such a large degree of support... centrists are a minority here fascisthunter Dec 2012 #173

Anyone can be a democrat.... WCGreen Dec 2012 #176

Time to eliminate the party primary. fleabiscuit Dec 2012 #177

"it's happened time and time again". it has? cali Dec 2012 #178

The force is not with Charlie Crist quaker bill Dec 2012 #179

MH, Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #182

the party of FDR, Kennedy and Humphrey was also the party of Lester Maddox and George Wallace Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #188