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Zorra

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19. It is the broad spectrum of Democrats who believe that the needs of human beings are more important
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:25 PM
Dec 2012

than the profit needs of wealthy private interests, and wish to see this belief and desire translated into policy.

That's actually the majority of us; unfortunately, it is the neo-liberal Third Way types who have the money behind them to run for office and get media attention who are too often elected and therefore maintain the status quo control of government and policy by wealthy private interests.

For example:

Who is it that has consistently allied with the GOP and prevented the Democratic party from drafting and/or passing progressive legislation?

DLC. Third Way. Moderates. Centrists. Blue Dogs.

Did/do the majority of the people of the US want a progressive universal public health care system? Yes.

Did we get it? Nope.

Why?

Because Blue Dog "Democrats" simply kept progressives from ever even bringing it to the table.

A Democrat can be "moderate" without being a wealthy private interest serving neo-liberal. Unfortunately, from my POV, we have learned to define "moderate Democrat" as a Democrat who places the interests of wealthy private interests over those of the people, rather than as a Democrat who may simply have a few conservative views on social issues such as on choice or gun control, and who is somewhat fiscally conservative economically without being a corporatist.

If the Third Way party split from the Democratic party, we'd see a large influx of Independents into the Democratic party, and possibly a substantial number of Greens as well.

It is the Third Way types who have led to the widespread perception that the Democratic party is really no different than the GOP. If the Third Way left the Dem party, the Democratic party would rapidly become the party of the people once again, with FDR era type majorities supporting us, because we'd be rapidly enacting and passing constructive legislation in accordance with the genuine majority will of the people.

We are seeing a rise in popularity of the Dem party right now, and this is largely due to Democrats taking progressive stands on issues. This is what the majority wants, and if Democrats continue to pass progressive legislation, we could crush the GOP and Third Way party into insignificance.

I fervently hope the Third Way party splits from the Dem party.

Good riddance.

It's exactly like FDR said back in the day ~

"In the century in which we live, the Democratic Party has received the support of the electorate only when the party, with absolute clarity, has been the champion of progressive and liberal policies and principles of government.

The party has failed consistently when through political trading and chicanery it has fallen into the control of those interests, personal and financial, which think in terms of dollars instead of in terms of human values...

...The Democratic Convention, as appears clear from the events of today, is divided on this fundamental issue. Until the Democratic Party through this convention makes overwhelmingly clear its stand in favor of social progress and liberalism, and shakes off all the shackles of control fastened upon it by the forces of conservatism, reaction, and appeasement, it will not continue its march of victory."


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Christ was a moderate? I thought him liberal! Who knew? Melinda Dec 2012 #1
I always thought Christ was kind of a radical. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #2
Not according to many of his current followers, lol Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #3
So tell us of these "progressive" ideas of Mr. Crist. Please list. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #4
Jesus or Charlie? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #5
The Florida guy, I know that him becoming one of us is like the second coming. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #6
A careful reading of my post would reveal Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #7
"*new*" centrist party? 99Forever Dec 2012 #12
Touche! n/t Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #14
*crickets* Zorra Dec 2012 #9
Historically, George Wallace probably had the best chance for the strongest third-party bid before.. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #8
There's not enough of them to hurt the progressive wing of the Dem party or Zorra Dec 2012 #10
Where is this 'progressive wing' of which you speak? leftstreet Dec 2012 #11
It is the broad spectrum of Democrats who believe that the needs of human beings are more important Zorra Dec 2012 #19
Your position is well stated Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #21
And yours is as well. So I reckon we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. Zorra Dec 2012 #26
Oh, I thought you meant politicians not voters leftstreet Dec 2012 #30
I prefer honesty. The Third Way pretends it is progressive when it is not. mmonk Dec 2012 #13
Personally, I don't think this is a good trend. I see Republicans instituting a stealth policy of Nay Dec 2012 #15
For the record, Lieberman moved the other way Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #16
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know that Lieberman was not a Pub to Dem. But he's an example of Nay Dec 2012 #17
Ed Schultz and Marcos from Kos are the types of Repubs to Dems we need Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #18
I agree with you 100%. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #23
I would rather they stayed and fought in the Republican Party also Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #25
They instituted it in the 1980s. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #29
Are you joking? rudycantfail Dec 2012 #20
I think you underestimate the degree of uncontested power they would prefer. Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #22
How did progressives hinder rudycantfail Dec 2012 #24
Progressives can take control of non swing states and districts if we organize Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #27
The Third Way is firmly in control rudycantfail Dec 2012 #28
The Arc of the country's political thought is toward Progressive positions. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #31
The Democratic Party IS the "Centrist political party" Prophet 451 Dec 2012 #32
The move by Crist bodes well for the democratic party in the South. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #33
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