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Tom Rinaldo

(23,197 posts)
21. Your position is well stated
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:44 PM
Dec 2012

If we had a parlimentary system I would back your reasoning in a flash. Or even some time of instant run off electoral system in cases where no candidate gets a majority, but we have neither.

I think a day can and will come when progressive Democrats would become the leading political force if the U.S. develops the equivelent of a three Party system, right, left, and center, even with the current winner take all system for elections I think that it is a decade premature to think we would come out on top now though in that scenario. Right now I think the centrists would prevail and opportunistic Republicans would court alliances with them and cement a center right electoral majority that would be less progressive overall than current Democratic Party government under someone like Obama.

The fact that there isn't an obvious "third way" party for voters to back instead of the Democrats or Republicans forces voters to look harder at core differences between the left and right in deciding how to vote. I think a lot of people currently would prefer to simple default to backing "the reasonable center" than seriousloy go through that thought process.

A "third way" Party would not just pull from the Democrats of course, it would pull from traditional Republicans also. It could quickly become the most competitive Party if A Republican Civil war breaks out in ernest. It could cement a right leaning Suspreme Court in place for a new generation.

Like I said, this is my short term political read. Longer term I think you can be right, with an increasingly strong left leaning counter media growing through the internet - and even on cable, and shifting demographics given current trends. It is my pragmatic read that progressives will gain the upper hand in the Democratic Party even if more moderates flood toward it. I fear "the third way" short term, not long term. Short term though I think they could ultimately deliver the nation to the Right for another generation if that movement were to gain real traction now.

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Christ was a moderate? I thought him liberal! Who knew? Melinda Dec 2012 #1
I always thought Christ was kind of a radical. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #2
Not according to many of his current followers, lol Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #3
So tell us of these "progressive" ideas of Mr. Crist. Please list. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #4
Jesus or Charlie? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #5
The Florida guy, I know that him becoming one of us is like the second coming. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #6
A careful reading of my post would reveal Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #7
"*new*" centrist party? 99Forever Dec 2012 #12
Touche! n/t Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #14
*crickets* Zorra Dec 2012 #9
Historically, George Wallace probably had the best chance for the strongest third-party bid before.. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #8
There's not enough of them to hurt the progressive wing of the Dem party or Zorra Dec 2012 #10
Where is this 'progressive wing' of which you speak? leftstreet Dec 2012 #11
It is the broad spectrum of Democrats who believe that the needs of human beings are more important Zorra Dec 2012 #19
Your position is well stated Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #21
And yours is as well. So I reckon we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. Zorra Dec 2012 #26
Oh, I thought you meant politicians not voters leftstreet Dec 2012 #30
I prefer honesty. The Third Way pretends it is progressive when it is not. mmonk Dec 2012 #13
Personally, I don't think this is a good trend. I see Republicans instituting a stealth policy of Nay Dec 2012 #15
For the record, Lieberman moved the other way Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #16
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know that Lieberman was not a Pub to Dem. But he's an example of Nay Dec 2012 #17
Ed Schultz and Marcos from Kos are the types of Repubs to Dems we need Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #18
I agree with you 100%. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #23
I would rather they stayed and fought in the Republican Party also Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #25
They instituted it in the 1980s. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #29
Are you joking? rudycantfail Dec 2012 #20
I think you underestimate the degree of uncontested power they would prefer. Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #22
How did progressives hinder rudycantfail Dec 2012 #24
Progressives can take control of non swing states and districts if we organize Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #27
The Third Way is firmly in control rudycantfail Dec 2012 #28
The Arc of the country's political thought is toward Progressive positions. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #31
The Democratic Party IS the "Centrist political party" Prophet 451 Dec 2012 #32
The move by Crist bodes well for the democratic party in the South. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #33
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