"Handguns...exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments, and bait us into embracing....

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267. I thought we were discussing /shrug.

"I'm also tired of the professed loopholes like "collectors" and "self-incrimination". You must be reading the NRA literature."

Professed loopholes?

The 5th amendment is a loophole now? What nra literature am I reading?

When it comes to talking about potential legislation, gun collectors don't have a seat at the table?

I'll tell you the same thing I told someone else:

The way things currently stand, gun control on the federal level costs more votes than it brings to the table. Gun rights support, on the other hand, has no attatched parallel political cost.

What that means, is this:

Gun violence prevention advocates NEED the support of gun rights supporters if they want to get anything done legislatively. Gun rights supporters don't NEED the support of gun violence prevention supporters to get things done legislatively.

Think about that, really hard, and ask yourself if thats likely to change, especially if your chosen laws were enacted, and found to be unconstitutional, or an attempt to enact them was made, but due to ignoring the very people those laws are aimed at, it failed to pass political muster.

I'm for reducing gun violence, make no mistake, but there are several ways of attempting it that I and tens of millions of others that own guns and care about our rights where firearms are concerned, find absolutely unacceptable. Your ideas are among them.