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87. I would prefer that the conviction be rescinded. A pardon would mean he did something

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:00 AM

Dec 2012

wrong. We all know who was behind that political witch hunt. Holder did it for Republican Stevens, why not for a Democrat who was pursued and lied about at the instigation of Karl Rove. And after they rescind the conviction, then investigate those who lied, including the crooked judge, to get that conviction.

It's not as if they do not have witnesses. A Republican who has stated that Rove ordered her to follow Siegelman around to try to find evidence of him cheating on his wife, eg. Rove tried to contradict her, but she was feisty and basically called him what he is, a liar.

Considering that both Republicans and Democrats have condemned that prosecution, I do not understand why Holder has not acted on this long ago. He showed no such hesitation when it came to Stevens, who actually did do wrong. Although I agreed with the decision because of corruption in the process.

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Mr. President, please pardon Gov Don Siegelman so he can have Christmas with his family. nm [View all] rhett o rick Dec 2012 OP

and INVESTIGATE ROVE AND ALEC UNDER RICO ACT HowHasItComeToThis Dec 2012 #1

I agree. But let's start with a pardon. That should be easy, unless I am missing something. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #22

It can be as easy as saying Scooter Libby. joeunderdog Dec 2012 #82

Technically Scooter never got a pardon. Bush commuted his prison sentence. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #84

I would prefer that the conviction be rescinded. A pardon would mean he did something sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #87

I am not familiar with the "rescind" process. How does that work? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #88

Well, in the case of Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, Eric Holder asked a Judge sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #89

What judge does he have to get to agree to drop the case? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #94

That I don't know. Maybe there are legal experts here who might. Probably a judge sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #95

no argument there former-republican Dec 2012 #25

Hear, Hear! Unknown Beatle Dec 2012 #50

Not 'almost.' It is treason. Octafish Dec 2012 #47

typo? navarth Dec 2012 #77

Thank you! Good catch! Octafish Dec 2012 #79

Glad to be or service, Honorable Octafish. nt navarth Dec 2012 #86

And investigate and prosecute war crimes Vincardog Dec 2012 #2

Yes yes yes northoftheborder Dec 2012 #3

Is your last name 'Bruce?' jonthebru Dec 2012 #13

Why is this man in jail Loki Dec 2012 #4

Cheers to that. n/t theaocp Dec 2012 #9

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #17

K&R Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #5

Yes. Highly recommend. nt Zorra Dec 2012 #6

Amen! nt blaze Dec 2012 #7

agreed and kicked. end the travesty. navarth Dec 2012 #8

His wife and children are Jewish DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #10

That does not mean we can't give them a gift. jonthebru Dec 2012 #16

Sure DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #19

How in the world can it be inappropriate to want him OUT OF PRISON???????? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #20

Inappropriate to link it to being with his family for Christmas DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #56

Good grief. How do you know that he doesnt appreciate Christmas? Esp if he is free. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #60

The Christian provincialism of some of these reactions is astonishing. DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #63

I think you are over reacting. I am not religious. I just thought it would be nice for him rhett o rick Dec 2012 #65

Of course it's not about me. It's about the fact DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #66

Christmas is an event in December. One can speak of it w/o advocating Christianity. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #69

A Christian event in December DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #74

And you know that they dont recognize Christmas how? Interesting that you rhett o rick Dec 2012 #75

I don't know, and I didn't assert that DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #81

For Harry_Scrote Dec 2012 #32

Better to just leave religion out of it DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #57

OK...Chanukah, then...or just "The Holidays". Ken Burch Dec 2012 #90

Just "The Holidays" would be a big improvement. DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #96

Nothing would make me happier! arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #11

K&R ReRe Dec 2012 #12

Oooh, noice sig line upi402 Dec 2012 #15

Si, Senor... ReRe Dec 2012 #18

Obvious - YES! upi402 Dec 2012 #14

I still femrap Dec 2012 #21

And please serve up a nice, fully cooked canned ham Blue Owl Dec 2012 #23

Sounds yummy! KamaAina Dec 2012 #29

Is he guilty ? former-republican Dec 2012 #24

I understand why Republicans want him in prison. He was a popular and powerful Democrat. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #34

He is NOT guilty and did nothing illegal DeeDeeNY Dec 2012 #35

interesting former-republican Dec 2012 #39

Please watch the video. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #70

I just watched the quick 13 minute one former-republican Dec 2012 #80

add to that... it's nothing compared to what has been happening since Citizens United n/t oldhippydude Dec 2012 #59

Not only was Siegelman innocent and railroaded PufPuf23 Dec 2012 #61

He wasn't even impolite, or out-of-line in any sense of the morningglory Dec 2012 #78

No, and if he was, then every politician on both sides of the aisle belongs in prison sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #91

Your last sentence DeeDeeNY Dec 2012 #97

K & R AzDar Dec 2012 #26

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #27

Chanukah nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #28

Liberal War on Xmas! sellitman Dec 2012 #30

According to wikipedia, Don Siegleman is Roman Catholic. smokey nj Dec 2012 #31

And you think if they were raised in the Jewish Faith nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #33

I don't know what they celebrated or how they celebrated, I just pointed out that Don Siegelman smokey nj Dec 2012 #40

And from interviews In places like Raw Story nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #41

Can you provide links to those interviews? smokey nj Dec 2012 #42

They implied the family was raised Jewish nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #44

Mixed-faith families often celebrate both traditions. smokey nj Dec 2012 #45

Really? Ok nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #46

Yes, really. Mixed-faith families often honor both traditions. smokey nj Dec 2012 #48

Whatever, have a good life nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #58

has anyone actually approached the President to do this? what's the delay? samsingh Dec 2012 #36

I would also like to know what the delay is. I believe more than one petition has been submitted to rhett o rick Dec 2012 #38

With a paltry 2% pardon rate..... DeSwiss Dec 2012 #37

Pardon rate of what? neffernin Dec 2012 #43

I live in Alabama and I know the story. K&R trof Dec 2012 #49

+1000. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #64

This should have never happened, & freeing him is long over-due. dmr Dec 2012 #51

Better yet, let Rove take his place. n/m liberalmuse Dec 2012 #52

Amen! Bozita Dec 2012 #53

Usually Presidential pardons are granted only after the sentence is completed. hack89 Dec 2012 #54

Didnt Nixon get pardoned before serving any time? rhett o rick Dec 2012 #62

There are exceptions but they are rare. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #67

Well let's make Gov Seigelman an exception since it is possible. Dont you agree? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #68

I think he should be pardoned. hack89 Dec 2012 #71

I dont see any connection. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #72

Obviously the President does hack89 Dec 2012 #73

It's not about only doing what the American people care very much about. It's about righting a rhett o rick Dec 2012 #76

He won't pardon. former9thward Dec 2012 #55

I wouldn't hope for any action until the last days of his term dballance Dec 2012 #83

This is a tragedy that Pres Re-elect Obama could fix. But sadly, I think you are right. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #85

Actually, I can't figure out why Obama hasn't pardoned Siegelman already. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #92

I dont see that the Pres has anything to lose pardoning Siegelman. I believe the more he does to rhett o rick Dec 2012 #93