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freshwest

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19. Don't tell anyone. The government is baaad, you know. But seriously, logic shows us some things are
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:56 AM
Dec 2012

better handling by government. The problem I see is that people have forgotten intentions. Do we want to find solutions to problems or do we want to make money not finding solutions and making the problems go on forever - the intent being - to serve who?

I suggest that some things are quite simple, if you just get agreement on a few simple facts of life. Agreeing first of all, what are the necessities, such as food, water, air, etc. Then the bigger decision comes into play. Who is the rightful owner of said things, or do they belong to every living thing?

Democrats have been making just the case against an entrenched, regressive belief system for many years, but instead of convincing our political opposites, they have grown stronger. Because they also know what is essential to life and want to control it. But the second issue, ownership, is where we differ so much.

Democrats, or at least the ones I grew up with and still work to keep in office, believe those essentials belong to everyone and everything. We got the Endangered Species Act passed, which in a way enshrines that belief system - its intention being to protect life from economic forces. For years we've been fighting the same foes, who see everything in terms of money. Healthcare, education and other social democratic ideas are something they don't regard as a human rights, but a chance for profit.

The ultimate in profit is to impoverish the work force, make everything had and costly to obtain, and then the icing on the cake, shove the tax burden on other people and never pay any.

We are approaching the installation of an aristocracy here. In those older societies, the rich never paid, they were always paid by the others. Since they were considered by reason of birth and inheritance worthy of owning everything.

In Norway, the government owns almost everything. And they do everything primarily as a unified society, with the goals of sustaining not the wealth of a few, but the well-being of many and their environment. Surely, they are not perfect. No country is. And they have their disagreements and troubles. But the second issue for them is settled.

In this country, we are either going to go toward a fascist or feudal society, and we see some signs of it gaining hold, or we can use the only unified force we have been able to muster against it. Giving up is not an option, the GOP and the reactionaries won't, because, and this is the only thing I will say that they have going for them is a certain belief.

There is a natural progression in human societies as they get older to either go to that social model or fight it out and remain a democracy. They want to go with what they see as natural and a vision they believe God wants. We don't want to live under their vision and have our lives consigned by birth or circumstance.

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Thinking that they got a clue from the shareholder/customer response to the restaurant CEOs. libdem4life Dec 2012 #1
It's fear. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #28
I think you're being optimistic as to their intent or understanding. Seems more like the finger in libdem4life Dec 2012 #37
If nothing else, they're probably OK at math and discovered that over 65,000,000 people voted for catbyte Dec 2012 #47
Well, let me be succinct: Turbineguy Dec 2012 #2
You also can't sell much stuff to people who have no income or no discretionary income. dballance Dec 2012 #5
HA! Define *some* for us here, Mr. Langstaff... freshwest Dec 2012 #3
Exactly... ReRe Dec 2012 #11
I suggest Eisenhower tax rates and send all of the money straight to infrastructure! Whoopee! freshwest Dec 2012 #12
I'm with you on this... if this means I'm a Socialist, then yes, I am. secondwind Dec 2012 #14
Don't tell anyone. The government is baaad, you know. But seriously, logic shows us some things are freshwest Dec 2012 #19
Turn this into an OP so I can rec it. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #29
great post! dionysus Dec 2012 #40
+100 defacto7 Dec 2012 #42
Ha! You and me could invite a bunch of our like-minded friends over and have a blast!!! ReRe Dec 2012 #15
Yay! We can meet at Red Square at UW. Democratic Socialists! freshwest Dec 2012 #20
I'm a dummy... ReRe Dec 2012 #21
Washington. As usual, we're a big vague out here. Lots of punning: freshwest Dec 2012 #22
Ahhh... ReRe Dec 2012 #23
Yep, still DU pals. And honestly, I don't even go there - no parking! freshwest Dec 2012 #27
Laying low til the coast is clear. nt Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2012 #4
I've been wondering when they would come around.............. northoftheborder Dec 2012 #6
Government will not be buying quaker bill Dec 2012 #7
They've seen which way the wind blows gollygee Dec 2012 #8
So now all they have to do is invest more in Democrats that they can coerce. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #9
Fred Smith is Skull and Bones. factsarenotfair Dec 2012 #10
The Defence Industry needs us to pay more taxes so they don't get their revenue cut to keep up Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #13
When they stop shunning paying their fair share of corporate taxes and living wages rocktivity Dec 2012 #16
How's John Boehner gonna explain this to his crazy Tea Partiers? LeftInTX Dec 2012 #17
How's John Boehner gonna explain this to his crazy Tea Partiers? Flashmann Dec 2012 #26
Really? PROVE IT! underthematrix Dec 2012 #18
They haven't really come around. JoeyT Dec 2012 #24
Yeah, they just don't like hanging around losers. DinahMoeHum Dec 2012 #25
If they are really coming around to the underthematrix Dec 2012 #30
Yeah they'd rather screw us over themselves. Initech Dec 2012 #31
What took them so long to wake up? Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2012 #32
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #33
Big Wall Street Finance spoke with their wallets and it was all Romney. So let's ramp up the byeya Dec 2012 #34
Wake up and smell the coffee libodem Dec 2012 #35
We paid off the Depression & WW2 debt fairly quicky NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #36
Unfortunately they are still pushing for "austerity" at the expense of jobs eridani Dec 2012 #38
Koch brothers are doing just fine, thank you JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #39
Really glad to hear this. Hope the SANITY spreads. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #41
Apparently "Stupid on steroids" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #43
heh heh! :) n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #46
Why? Because the Fiscal Bluff is the best deal we'll get, and they don't want it. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #44
K & R Scurrilous Dec 2012 #45
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