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MadHound

(34,179 posts)
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:50 AM Dec 2012

Let's legalize meth, and every other such recreational drug. [View all]

The War on Drugs has been lost, lost long ago. Destined to be a losing proposition from its inception. It is past time for us to recognize this simply fact, and alleviate the massive harm that the WOD is inflicting upon the American people by ending it.

The plain, pure, simple fact of the matter is that a vast majority of humanity feels the need to alter their state of consciousness at some point or another, with various drugs. Prohibiting those drugs is not going to change human nature, but rather force people to endure all sorts of dangers in order to fulfill that need.

Worse, we are losing our country, our civil liberties to this prohibition. All the time while enriching the national security and prison industries needlessly.

If you look at other experiments in legalization, you will see that they are successful. Britain has legalized heroin and look what's happened. A heroin addict gets up in the morning, goes downtown on the tube, stops in at a NHS office, gets his clean, legal shot of heroin. He then goes to work, is a productive, tax paying citizen, gets off work, goes back by NHS to get his evening shot, goes home and is a law abiding citizen at home. No need to rob or assault to get money to feed his habit, no need to place him on the public jailhouse support system, and if he wants help for his addiction, since there is no longer any legal stigma, he can get his addiction treated for what it truly is, a health issue.

The same applies to meth. Do you think meth addicts want to ingest a product that has been made in a back room, that consists of battery acid, sulphur and other toxic ingredients? No, they are ingesting meth because they can't get pharmaceutical grade amphetamines. Why do they want that? Well, meth, speed, those are working class drugs, drugs for the poor. They allow that poor fellow to continue to schlup his ass to two or three jobs he needs just to get by in this world. Perhaps if we started addressing the root problems of drug use, poverty and such, we would actually lower the rate of drug use.

But until we do, it only makes sense to legalize all drugs. There are several advantages. First, we would stop the massive crime wave that is associated with the current drug world. No need to shoot innocents, no need to rob or murder if you can get your drugs legally and cheaply.

Second, we can remove the stigma of illegality from drugs, and treat them as what they really are, a public health problem. We can tax drugs, and use those revenues to provide much needed attention to the problem of drug addiction. The funny thing is, in countries that have legalize drugs, even hard ones, the rate of drug use goes down because that aura of glamor and danger that surrounds drugs, that aura that appeals to many a rebellious youth, is gone, no more rebellious than your old man drinking a beer. Furthermore, with legal drugs comes clean drugs. During alcohol prohibition, far too many people died from bathtub gin, under today's drug prohibition, far too many people are dying from drugs they cooked up for themselves, the modern equivalent of bathtub gin. Safe, legalized pharmaceutical grade drugs would go a long way to alleviate the suffering, and health problems, of drug users.

Third, we would get our civil liberties back, and stop our progress along this road we're traveling down towards a police state.

Prohibition hasn't worked in the past, in fact it has only made things worse. Why not learn from that, and end this prohibition against all drugs. We would be better off as a country, as a society.

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I would remove all criminal penalties for users of meth... slackmaster Dec 2012 #1
Those who use methamphetamines waddirum Dec 2012 #68
When I took drugs (and I gateley Dec 2012 #2
+1 justabob Dec 2012 #8
However, don't you think that if they were in the open and regulated you Cleita Dec 2012 #18
When I was using, toxicity was not a concern -- nor was getting caught. I just wanted to get gateley Dec 2012 #28
Legalize coca plants.. w8liftinglady Dec 2012 #3
No problem with legalizing coca plants, MadHound Dec 2012 #5
Meth is a shit replacement for Adderall Recursion Dec 2012 #6
. Go Vols Dec 2012 #71
Coca can be medicinal. Downwinder Dec 2012 #39
K&R. Safe regulation is better than bath tub science. think Dec 2012 #4
+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #11
Unfortunately that would take international action since we're signatory to several UN drug treaties Recursion Dec 2012 #7
As Bush established it takes nothing more than a signing statement. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #12
Which we instigated and could easily withdraw from. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #20
People shoot up meth because it's easier to come by than less harmful stimulants... backscatter712 Dec 2012 #9
True, look what happened to Russia with the Krokodil thing. LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #15
Yup. A prescription for Ritalin is much safer than Meth made in an apartment. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #24
That's how the UK has been doing it for decades now. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #25
I urge everyone to watch Breaking The Taboo... a new one-hour long documentary about the WoD... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #10
Decriminalize by changing penalties to education with treatment options Coyotl Dec 2012 #13
I totally, 100% agree with you. RevStPatrick Dec 2012 #14
I'm all for full legalization. Prohibition is a failed public policy. TeamPooka Dec 2012 #16
you are heaven05 Dec 2012 #17
The Only Way Drugs Will Be Decriminalized ... jerseyjack Dec 2012 #19
When all defendants don't "take the deal" and demand a jury trial these prosecutions will stop. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #26
Drug abuse should be treated as a medical issue, not a criminal one. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #21
Better still, teat it as a social issue and remove the market. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #23
And then alleviate the causes that motivate people to use them to the point Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #22
absolutely agree with you.... mike_c Dec 2012 #27
Time to take this LE cash cow ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #29
I agree 100%. Without exception. Taverner Dec 2012 #30
But, increase the penalties for crimes committed while under the influence. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #31
What would be the benefit of increased penalties for crimes committed while under the influence? nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #50
Meth is not the same as Marijuana Aerows Dec 2012 #32
No, it's not, MadHound Dec 2012 #58
WARNING: May Cause Disgareement. GatorLarry Dec 2012 #33
I agree with legalizing pot Aerows Dec 2012 #35
Evolution. PavePusher Dec 2012 #72
Well, lots of recreational substances, and actions, destroy your body, MadHound Dec 2012 #59
Well, in my experience in Corrections, meth users Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #34
Meth addicts endanger everyone around them. Marrah_G Dec 2012 #36
Mainly because they are addicted to an expensive black market substance, MadHound Dec 2012 #60
I like a lot of what you are saying, but I have some questions: GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #37
I'd trust a high person on marijuana, even though I hate it Aerows Dec 2012 #38
I don't have much experience with people on drugs (other than MJ) but the two people GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #40
It seems to me that it is harsh Aerows Dec 2012 #44
Oh, and I'm sorry that happened to you Aerows Dec 2012 #47
Those are the last people you want to talk to about it. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #54
Shooting up is not the norm. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #52
I saw a show about Switzerland Laochtine Dec 2012 #56
Thank you for this. I will see if I can find that show. I know I have seen articles about GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #57
It seemed very pedestrian Laochtine Dec 2012 #79
As you said yourself, "Just as heavy drinkers. . ." MadHound Dec 2012 #61
The first three can be addressed by criminalizing the behavior, not the drug itself Major Nikon Dec 2012 #62
Portugal decriminalized possession of drugs in 2000 (came into effect 2001). CJCRANE Dec 2012 #41
It should not be "Legalized" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #42
yeah. that model makes me more comfortable La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #46
Like I said before, for hard stuff, I'm in favor of recreational/addiction-management prescriptions. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #63
They tried prescribing heroin in the UK AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #67
I believe Switzerland tried injection clinics too, successfully. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #69
They do the same in Vancouver BC AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #75
We should also expunge the records of those convicted... gulliver Dec 2012 #43
i am not so sure about all drugs. I think i would do E a lot more frequently La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #45
That's just wrong ArcticFox Dec 2012 #48
The Drug War as we know it felix_numinous Dec 2012 #49
Very well said!!! Especially the loss of hope in this country. I think many find the RKP5637 Dec 2012 #53
Education is the answer and choice, NOT imprisonment and enabling the black market. That said, RKP5637 Dec 2012 #51
If the only choices are the imbecilic drug war & full legalization of all drugs, I vote legalization Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #55
I just read this article: Quantess Dec 2012 #64
so you're saying legality would've stopped this? RainDog Dec 2012 #65
Hard subject Johnny2X2X Dec 2012 #66
meth is already legal, Go Vols Dec 2012 #73
An essay worth bookmarking: TeeYiYi Dec 2012 #70
I'd go one step further.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #74
Uh, I don't think that would be wise. Some drugs TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #76
And they still can be when used properly. PavePusher Dec 2012 #78
Meth vs Cannabis DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #77
Drugs may as well be CheapShotArtist Dec 2012 #80
Agree 100% Taverner Dec 2012 #81
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