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patrice

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60. I don't agree the idea of "cutting benefits (is necessarily) in the imaginations of the critics"

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:56 PM

Dec 2012

What I'm trying to get at here is disagreeing for disagreeing's sake, BASE BUILDING, over problem solving.

We should be diligent on our own behalf in regard to benefits, including increasing benefits.

Benefits need to be managed in new more cost effective ways. We're getting the worst results for the highest prices in the World (or something close to that).

Personally, I think there are tooooooooooo many middle-people in between care givers and care receivers and those middle-wo/men have powerful economic forces at their command that CAN define cuts to those middle-wo/men as "cuts to benefits" and most of the people doing the screaming about cuts to benefits would be no the wiser about what is actually going on and yet their screaming will affect the whole process, including the fact that the benefits they receive ARE, in fact, limited by all of the middle-wo/men that they themselves are protecting by screaming about PO "caving" on Medicare/Medicaid "cuts to benefits", and this applies especially to Medicaid since there's a BIG push by Republican governors to privatize it.

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I am SICK of hearing Cave Cave Cave! Anyone else? [View all] sheshe2 Dec 2012 OP

blind Allegiance to anyone is not critical thinking. If he supported raising the age of Medicare, still_one Dec 2012 #1

My Allegiance is not blind... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #3

What I don't get is that Medicare cuts aren't in sequestration, so why would it be in negotiations? JaneyVee Dec 2012 #8

They shouldn't be. Problem is a lot of things we hear from the media are trial balloons thrown out still_one Dec 2012 #15

Of course Medicare cuts are in negotiations. It was part of Obama's initial offer to Boehnerrecently Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #62

Seriously? No Illusions about anything else? Do you even know the list he did first term? sheshe2 Dec 2012 #117

Why? The first time, I was fooled. The second time, I was told that Romney was worse. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #2

The Supreme Court was the one reason to vote for Obama. still_one Dec 2012 #10

Is Kagan a liberal? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #23

Compared to Thomas, alto, Scalia, Roberts, yes still_one Dec 2012 #45

Because of her gender? Or because she has a big "D" after her name? When the Miranda rule was gutted AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #47

Vote for the utopia party candidate tabasco Dec 2012 #63

Your statement would not have made any sense before the election. It doesn't make any sense now. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #68

You do know there will be more elections, don't you? tabasco Dec 2012 #71

You meant a future election? Then you should wait 4 more years before making more silly statements. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #110

This ain't our first rodeo, ma'am Fumesucker Dec 2012 #4

I wonder if you could explain to me exactly how that works. With the opposition WAITING patrice Dec 2012 #11

It takes two to disagree Fumesucker Dec 2012 #28

There is disagreement and then there are assumptions about disagreement. I ASKED patrice Dec 2012 #31

If the wheel ain't squeakin' ain't no one gonna grease it Fumesucker Dec 2012 #36

Aaah Patrice... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #103

for some people compromise is "caving" treestar Dec 2012 #5

I have criteria. Raising the age of Medicare would be "caving" in my book. We shall see still_one Dec 2012 #12

When the real problem is that the people doing the criticizing don't seem to mind UNDERCUTTING patrice Dec 2012 #17

The game John2 Dec 2012 #35

Agreed, but most people you're talking about don't know *H*O*W* what they want is to be patrice Dec 2012 #64

Yes, I would say the opposition and the President's staff know treestar Dec 2012 #58

I don't agree the idea of "cutting benefits (is necessarily) in the imaginations of the critics" patrice Dec 2012 #60

IOW every assumes we're all talking about exactly & precisely the same thing with the word: benefits patrice Dec 2012 #61

If I want to sell my used car for $3000-- eridani Dec 2012 #113

For some people we'd like to see Republicans compromise. For once. Just once. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #70

They do treestar Dec 2012 #112

Lol, well I wouldn't go by what the paranoid Freepers have to say. If sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #114

The Republicans don't get everything they want either treestar Dec 2012 #128

They got their wars, they got away with war crimes. They got away with sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #136

Look at it from where they stand treestar Dec 2012 #137

Yes, I know they oppose most of those things and have and still are trying sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #138

True! Most people don't have a very good guess at all about how that whole process works, patrice Dec 2012 #76

You said "I will take your back". Are you an American and eligible to be a Democrat and vote? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #6

Is it a common phrase in my community ? That is a bit Snippy! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #116

A simple "yes" would do. When there are people on this board who are not eligible to be Democrats AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #119

Don't mind that one. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #120

Thank You sheshe2 Dec 2012 #122

Anytime! BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #123

Cave is easier to spell than Comprim...compro...com...cave leftstreet Dec 2012 #7

This is General Discussion, uniformity of thought has little place in real "discussion" HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #9

True, but make that uniformity of anything, including lock-step BLIND contrarianism under patrice Dec 2012 #14

"Lockstep contrarianism" has a somewhat unrealistic feeling... HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #16

Some people, and maybe the most dis-empowered would have the strongest inclination in this direction patrice Dec 2012 #20

I'm sick of having to say it. yourout Dec 2012 #13

Same crud, different year. CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #18

You say, "The MSM says the President will 'cave', ..." Do you have a link to support this? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #67

Actually, CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #72

Then, actually, the MSM DID NOT SAY that the President will cave. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #84

Why did I vote for him? 99Forever Dec 2012 #19

You've got lots of options sharp_stick Dec 2012 #22

Options yes, decent options not so much Fumesucker Dec 2012 #29

Really? 99Forever Dec 2012 #33

Well friend? 99Forever Dec 2012 #41

If we're such a shitty country, why not move to Europe? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #86

immigration restrictions. all countries have 'em. NuttyFluffers Dec 2012 #87

Oh my God. This??? libdem4life Dec 2012 #89

Just to be a ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #90

People like me? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #92

Thw word was burr. 99Forever Dec 2012 #93

I didn't mean it to be insulting democrattotheend Dec 2012 #96

Thank you for clearing that up. 99Forever Dec 2012 #100

I would never ever say it's a shitty country democrattotheend Dec 2012 #107

I only asked you if agreed... 99Forever Dec 2012 #115

Ok, that's fair democrattotheend Dec 2012 #131

It's ok... 99Forever Dec 2012 #133

I'm actually a sister democrattotheend Dec 2012 #134

Oops.. 99Forever Dec 2012 #135

Wow Oilwellian Dec 2012 #129

You're right. I didn't mean it to come across that way democrattotheend Dec 2012 #132

I'm not seeing a lot of it sharp_stick Dec 2012 #21

other guy was worse nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #24

Question authority....always. Magoo48 Dec 2012 #25

Weird WilLIARd seemed undeniably worse. Pure lesser evilisim in probably a vain effort to buy time TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #26

^^This!^^ 99Forever Dec 2012 #43

Nail....Hammer.... Yadda Yadda. bvar22 Dec 2012 #74

Exactly.. sendero Dec 2012 #83

exactly. "Because politics isn't religion, sports, or a fan club is why." NuttyFluffers Dec 2012 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #27

true, but ... Ligyron Dec 2012 #30

Really Ann...not dependable?... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #111

No one should be doing any complaining until they have the final product in front of them... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #32

Yeah right.... 99Forever Dec 2012 #34

Did you mean "insight"? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #38

I meant precisely what I typed. 99Forever Dec 2012 #46

Yeah. You stick with that! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #50

Thanks for your permission. 99Forever Dec 2012 #53

You are more than welcome. First rule of debate? Know how to spell, and.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #54

Since I used the word I intended and spelled it correctly... 99Forever Dec 2012 #78

Well, alright then. You take care, ya' hear? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #79

And a ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #81

"Worder"? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #118

Yes! I am sick of it! I've heard the M$M use this term when they speak of the POTUS... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #37

And I can guaran-freaking-tee you MSM does NOT mean the same thing by "benefits" as you & I do.nt patrice Dec 2012 #65

If the social safety net is touched, yes, he caved. Fearless Dec 2012 #39

I don't feel that way myself Shankapotomus Dec 2012 #40

No bill is far better than a bad bill. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #42

I second this motion & add a motion for a General Strike! nt patrice Dec 2012 #66

Seconded. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #80

The President has our back, too. sofa king Dec 2012 #44

Yes, he does, sofa king.. thanks Cha Dec 2012 #49

+1,000! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #95

Bless your Confidence in the President we Re-Elected-Heart, Cha Dec 2012 #48

Sadly, no matter how progressive he will be BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #52

The Beauty is.. Cha Dec 2012 #55

Thanks so much, Cha! BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #91

Oh Goody... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #99

"the most progressive president in our history" ???!!! bvar22 Dec 2012 #75

Yes, most PROGRESSIVE president in our history BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #94

I see you didn't bother watching Rachel's piece. bvar22 Dec 2012 #105

Those are some excellent FDR Economic Bill of Rights. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #121

If you study your Political history, bvar22 Dec 2012 #125

I understand what FDR's Economic Bill of Rights SAYS BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #127

We have to figure out how to make ourselves relevant without abandoning our principles. patrice Dec 2012 #82

I am with you Cha + 1,000!!!! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #98

I'm with you, and just because there are posters BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #51

lots of reasons to vote for Obama Enrique Dec 2012 #56

Cooperating too much is a flaw, not enough of a flaw orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #57

I was happy to vote for President Obama and thrilled he won BUT that doesn't forestpath Dec 2012 #59

I don't see anywhere in my post that said cease and desist...do you? sheshe2 Dec 2012 #101

Sure sounded like that was the whole POINT of your post to me! forestpath Dec 2012 #106

Forestpath, I have Re read my post and my reply to you... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author rudycantfail Dec 2012 #69

I am sick LWolf Dec 2012 #73

Me too. JVS Dec 2012 #77

I agree democrattotheend Dec 2012 #85

I am sick of the use of the word "cave." woo me with science Dec 2012 #97

I agree. rudycantfail Dec 2012 #108

AND its IMPOSSIBLE to negotiate in public. elleng Dec 2012 #102

Just got home from work... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #104

Yes, that's quite obvious n/t Oilwellian Dec 2012 #130

I get sick of lot of things nolabels Dec 2012 #124

If Obama and the Democrats do cave on SS and Medicare, you better brace yourself. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #126