Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: I am SICK of hearing Cave Cave Cave! Anyone else? [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)105. I see you didn't bother watching Rachel's piece.
At best, President Obama is a Big Business, Free Market "Centrist".
On most policy issues, he is somewhat RIGHT of Center.
Bill Clinton's crown of Best Republican President EVER is in jeopardy.
That is why the Old Dog came out of retirement.
I'm old enough to remember WHAT a DEMOCRAT sounds like,
and what a DEMOCRAT fights for.
When someone calls this old Mainstream-Center FDR/LBJ Working Class Democrat
a Fringe Leftist....
Well I know where THAT person is standing on the political spectrum.
"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established [font size=3]for allregardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being." --FDR, Economic Bill of Rights
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being." --FDR, Economic Bill of Rights
Please note that FDR specified the above a Basic Human Rights to be protected and administered by our government of The People,
and NOT as [font size=3]COMMODITIES[/font] to be SOLD to Americans by For Profit Corporations.
There was a time, no so long ago, when voting FOR the Democrat
was voting FOR the above Democratic Party Values.
Sadly, this is no longer true.
---bvar22
STILL a mainstream-center FDR/LBJ Working Class DEMOCRAT.
I haven't changed,
and will keep fighting FOR the old traditional Democratic Party Working Class Values
that made our Party Great.
When politicians who call themselves "Democrat" stray from these values,
I WILL call them on it.
[font color=firebrick size=3][center]"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone[/font][/center]
[center]
[/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
[font size=5 color=firebrick]Solidarity![/font]
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
138 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
blind Allegiance to anyone is not critical thinking. If he supported raising the age of Medicare,
still_one
Dec 2012
#1
What I don't get is that Medicare cuts aren't in sequestration, so why would it be in negotiations?
JaneyVee
Dec 2012
#8
They shouldn't be. Problem is a lot of things we hear from the media are trial balloons thrown out
still_one
Dec 2012
#15
Of course Medicare cuts are in negotiations. It was part of Obama's initial offer to Boehnerrecently
Honeycombe8
Dec 2012
#62
Seriously? No Illusions about anything else? Do you even know the list he did first term?
sheshe2
Dec 2012
#117
Why? The first time, I was fooled. The second time, I was told that Romney was worse.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#2
Because of her gender? Or because she has a big "D" after her name? When the Miranda rule was gutted
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#47
Your statement would not have made any sense before the election. It doesn't make any sense now.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#68
You meant a future election? Then you should wait 4 more years before making more silly statements.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#110
I wonder if you could explain to me exactly how that works. With the opposition WAITING
patrice
Dec 2012
#11
There is disagreement and then there are assumptions about disagreement. I ASKED
patrice
Dec 2012
#31
I have criteria. Raising the age of Medicare would be "caving" in my book. We shall see
still_one
Dec 2012
#12
When the real problem is that the people doing the criticizing don't seem to mind UNDERCUTTING
patrice
Dec 2012
#17
Agreed, but most people you're talking about don't know *H*O*W* what they want is to be
patrice
Dec 2012
#64
I don't agree the idea of "cutting benefits (is necessarily) in the imaginations of the critics"
patrice
Dec 2012
#60
IOW every assumes we're all talking about exactly & precisely the same thing with the word: benefits
patrice
Dec 2012
#61
For some people we'd like to see Republicans compromise. For once. Just once.
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#70
True! Most people don't have a very good guess at all about how that whole process works,
patrice
Dec 2012
#76
You said "I will take your back". Are you an American and eligible to be a Democrat and vote?
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#6
A simple "yes" would do. When there are people on this board who are not eligible to be Democrats
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#119
This is General Discussion, uniformity of thought has little place in real "discussion"
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#9
True, but make that uniformity of anything, including lock-step BLIND contrarianism under
patrice
Dec 2012
#14
Some people, and maybe the most dis-empowered would have the strongest inclination in this direction
patrice
Dec 2012
#20
You say, "The MSM says the President will 'cave', ..." Do you have a link to support this?
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#67
Weird WilLIARd seemed undeniably worse. Pure lesser evilisim in probably a vain effort to buy time
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#26
exactly. "Because politics isn't religion, sports, or a fan club is why."
NuttyFluffers
Dec 2012
#88
No one should be doing any complaining until they have the final product in front of them...
Comrade_McKenzie
Dec 2012
#32
You are more than welcome. First rule of debate? Know how to spell, and....
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2012
#54
Yes! I am sick of it! I've heard the M$M use this term when they speak of the POTUS...
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2012
#37
And I can guaran-freaking-tee you MSM does NOT mean the same thing by "benefits" as you & I do.nt
patrice
Dec 2012
#65
We have to figure out how to make ourselves relevant without abandoning our principles.
patrice
Dec 2012
#82
I was happy to vote for President Obama and thrilled he won BUT that doesn't
forestpath
Dec 2012
#59
If Obama and the Democrats do cave on SS and Medicare, you better brace yourself.
WorseBeforeBetter
Dec 2012
#126