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MadHound

(34,179 posts)
59. Well, lots of recreational substances, and actions, destroy your body,
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:40 PM
Dec 2012

Some of them just as fast as meth.

As to your question, the UK and other countries with various legalized drugs generally have a better social safety net. The thing is however, people who are addicted in this country are already using and abusing government assistance because they are spending all of their money on black market drugs. In my younger days I lived in, well, let's say an interesting neighborhood. I had a neighbor who was actually quite a nice guy, but terribly hooked on prescription downers, drugs like oxy and such. Of course, like many addicts, he dealt as well, but also spent all that money he made, a few thousand a week, on his habit. Since he wasn't working above board, he qualified for all sorts of government programs and used them.

Legalized drugs would be much cheaper, and by treating drug addiction as a health problem with no criminal stigma, more people would be getting help and getting well.

As far as the money issues go, well, taxing the drugs would work well. Take pot. If you are running a legal, legit dope market, it's going to take probably a buck a pound to produce pot. It is, after all, a weed that grows anywhere and is no harder to cultivate and process than any other plant. By the time it gets through the wholesaler, distribution and various other middlemen, the corner store is going to probably charge fifteen, twenty dollars an ounce. Tack on another twenty dollars per ounce in taxes, and at forty bucks an ounce, that dope is going to fly off the shelves, since last I knew, and it's been many a year, good bud is going for around one hundred an ounce.

Now, let's do some math. The estimated amount of dope smoked in this country is currently running somewhere between twenty and twenty five thousand tons each year. Let's take the low side of that, twenty thousand tons. At a tax rate of twenty dollars per ounce, that works out to be 12.8 billion dollars that you can use for education and treatment. That's just revenue from dope alone. You can easily double or triple that amount when you tax the various other drugs in the same manner, namely in a large amount, but with a total price that is significantly below the current black market price.

Furthermore, since you're going to be keeping people out of jail, a lot of revenue that is currently going into prisons can be diverted to treatment and education as well. Start subtracting the costs to society that come from the secondary crime wave that prohibition brings, start adding the jobs and revenue that an entire new industry will bring in, and I think there will be plenty of money for full treatment and education, and much more.

However I do agree, we just have got to cut our military budget.

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I would remove all criminal penalties for users of meth... slackmaster Dec 2012 #1
Those who use methamphetamines waddirum Dec 2012 #68
When I took drugs (and I gateley Dec 2012 #2
+1 justabob Dec 2012 #8
However, don't you think that if they were in the open and regulated you Cleita Dec 2012 #18
When I was using, toxicity was not a concern -- nor was getting caught. I just wanted to get gateley Dec 2012 #28
Legalize coca plants.. w8liftinglady Dec 2012 #3
No problem with legalizing coca plants, MadHound Dec 2012 #5
Meth is a shit replacement for Adderall Recursion Dec 2012 #6
. Go Vols Dec 2012 #71
Coca can be medicinal. Downwinder Dec 2012 #39
K&R. Safe regulation is better than bath tub science. think Dec 2012 #4
+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #11
Unfortunately that would take international action since we're signatory to several UN drug treaties Recursion Dec 2012 #7
As Bush established it takes nothing more than a signing statement. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #12
Which we instigated and could easily withdraw from. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #20
People shoot up meth because it's easier to come by than less harmful stimulants... backscatter712 Dec 2012 #9
True, look what happened to Russia with the Krokodil thing. LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #15
Yup. A prescription for Ritalin is much safer than Meth made in an apartment. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #24
That's how the UK has been doing it for decades now. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #25
I urge everyone to watch Breaking The Taboo... a new one-hour long documentary about the WoD... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #10
Decriminalize by changing penalties to education with treatment options Coyotl Dec 2012 #13
I totally, 100% agree with you. RevStPatrick Dec 2012 #14
I'm all for full legalization. Prohibition is a failed public policy. TeamPooka Dec 2012 #16
you are heaven05 Dec 2012 #17
The Only Way Drugs Will Be Decriminalized ... jerseyjack Dec 2012 #19
When all defendants don't "take the deal" and demand a jury trial these prosecutions will stop. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #26
Drug abuse should be treated as a medical issue, not a criminal one. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #21
Better still, teat it as a social issue and remove the market. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #23
And then alleviate the causes that motivate people to use them to the point Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #22
absolutely agree with you.... mike_c Dec 2012 #27
Time to take this LE cash cow ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #29
I agree 100%. Without exception. Taverner Dec 2012 #30
But, increase the penalties for crimes committed while under the influence. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #31
What would be the benefit of increased penalties for crimes committed while under the influence? nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #50
Meth is not the same as Marijuana Aerows Dec 2012 #32
No, it's not, MadHound Dec 2012 #58
WARNING: May Cause Disgareement. GatorLarry Dec 2012 #33
I agree with legalizing pot Aerows Dec 2012 #35
Evolution. PavePusher Dec 2012 #72
Well, lots of recreational substances, and actions, destroy your body, MadHound Dec 2012 #59
Well, in my experience in Corrections, meth users Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #34
Meth addicts endanger everyone around them. Marrah_G Dec 2012 #36
Mainly because they are addicted to an expensive black market substance, MadHound Dec 2012 #60
I like a lot of what you are saying, but I have some questions: GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #37
I'd trust a high person on marijuana, even though I hate it Aerows Dec 2012 #38
I don't have much experience with people on drugs (other than MJ) but the two people GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #40
It seems to me that it is harsh Aerows Dec 2012 #44
Oh, and I'm sorry that happened to you Aerows Dec 2012 #47
Those are the last people you want to talk to about it. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #54
Shooting up is not the norm. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #52
I saw a show about Switzerland Laochtine Dec 2012 #56
Thank you for this. I will see if I can find that show. I know I have seen articles about GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #57
It seemed very pedestrian Laochtine Dec 2012 #79
As you said yourself, "Just as heavy drinkers. . ." MadHound Dec 2012 #61
The first three can be addressed by criminalizing the behavior, not the drug itself Major Nikon Dec 2012 #62
Portugal decriminalized possession of drugs in 2000 (came into effect 2001). CJCRANE Dec 2012 #41
It should not be "Legalized" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #42
yeah. that model makes me more comfortable La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #46
Like I said before, for hard stuff, I'm in favor of recreational/addiction-management prescriptions. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #63
They tried prescribing heroin in the UK AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #67
I believe Switzerland tried injection clinics too, successfully. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #69
They do the same in Vancouver BC AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #75
We should also expunge the records of those convicted... gulliver Dec 2012 #43
i am not so sure about all drugs. I think i would do E a lot more frequently La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #45
That's just wrong ArcticFox Dec 2012 #48
The Drug War as we know it felix_numinous Dec 2012 #49
Very well said!!! Especially the loss of hope in this country. I think many find the RKP5637 Dec 2012 #53
Education is the answer and choice, NOT imprisonment and enabling the black market. That said, RKP5637 Dec 2012 #51
If the only choices are the imbecilic drug war & full legalization of all drugs, I vote legalization Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #55
I just read this article: Quantess Dec 2012 #64
so you're saying legality would've stopped this? RainDog Dec 2012 #65
Hard subject Johnny2X2X Dec 2012 #66
meth is already legal, Go Vols Dec 2012 #73
An essay worth bookmarking: TeeYiYi Dec 2012 #70
I'd go one step further.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #74
Uh, I don't think that would be wise. Some drugs TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #76
And they still can be when used properly. PavePusher Dec 2012 #78
Meth vs Cannabis DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #77
Drugs may as well be CheapShotArtist Dec 2012 #80
Agree 100% Taverner Dec 2012 #81
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