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2naSalit

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66. Reasonable options for said officer...

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:57 PM

Dec 2012

Take down plate # and deal with it in a more civil fashion

If shooting was the only option, and I think not, shoot tires of vehicle, then approach vehicle

Call in the plate #

Call in the plate #

Call in the plate #

Point, there were children present, he was off duty (according to the article), and the items taken couldn't have amounted to very much no matter how many reachable items the three alleged women may have crammed into their purses. Nothing of value is easily accessible in a Walmart. You have to pay for it before the clerk lets you hold it in your hand after they fetch it from a locked cabinet. This guy just decided she needed to be dead since she wasn't accepting his authority, he shot her in the neck.

...oh yeah, and she was not white.

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Walmart security guard shoots 'shoplifting' mother dead in parking lot as she tries to escape with t [View all] ashling Dec 2012 OP

this is crazy.... mike_c Dec 2012 #1

Well, when you sell everything needed for shake-and-bake meth... DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #4

Oh, they do not obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #74

Why shouldn't they be armed? gradient Dec 2012 #79

Uh, the story starkly illustrates why. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #88

If they are armed ToxMarz Dec 2012 #136

Because they aren't cops and shooting shoplifters is wrong lunatica Dec 2012 #146

Because WalMart hires guards that are too fucking stupid to have guns? Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2012 #149

He was an off-duty regular cop; still no reason to shoot a shoplifter REP Dec 2012 #92

I read the article.... mike_c Dec 2012 #93

That's against Walmart policy in so many ways lbrtbell Dec 2012 #103

Because "stuff" is more valuable than human life Scootaloo Dec 2012 #128

True. One of the security guards in a store that I worked at years ago Cleita Dec 2012 #96

Yes, exactly union_maid Dec 2012 #102

Many LEOs are required to be armed even when off duty hack89 Dec 2012 #154

Apparently she (the driver) tried to run him over. bunnies Dec 2012 #2

Sometimes it's best to look at the article sakabatou Dec 2012 #3

I did. Thank you. bunnies Dec 2012 #5

...said the sheriff's office. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #9

yep. I wont argue that point. nt bunnies Dec 2012 #12

And of course, the sheriff's office would NEVER lie lbrtbell Dec 2012 #105

and of course a shoplifter would never backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #126

Are you truly defending the security guard? Wind Dancer Dec 2012 #152

From the description you posted she may have knocked him away from the car Whovian Dec 2012 #10

Correction. He decided to shoot. bunnies Dec 2012 #11

i think we can know with as much certainty as whether she intended to run him over. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16

I dont accept any of this as "fact". bunnies Dec 2012 #19

Right.... He just wanted to wound her in the arm so she could only drive with one hand. Whovian Dec 2012 #21

I cant speak to his mindset or intention. bunnies Dec 2012 #22

If you pull a gun and shoot at a person, every training class will tell you that it is to kill said Whovian Dec 2012 #24

Having never taken a "training class", I wouldnt know that to be true or false. bunnies Dec 2012 #27

I understand. Any killing by a cop or a gun Whovian Dec 2012 #37

what?! bunnies Dec 2012 #44

No I don't. I can only infer by the informatation you have given in Whovian Dec 2012 #64

And the woman, seeing a gun-wielding individual chasing after her, sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #49

He was a Harris County Sheriff's Deputy in uniform who first confronted them outside the door. FarCenter Dec 2012 #50

I've never had a cop pull a gun on me, but if one did, I would panic. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #108

He wasnt "some lunatic" "running around a Walmart Parking lot with a loaded gun" bunnies Dec 2012 #56

Reasonable options for said officer... 2naSalit Dec 2012 #66

"...oh yeah, she was not white."...... socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #85

Well it is Houston after all. 2naSalit Dec 2012 #122

she tried to run him over backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #129

She wasn't driving the car 2naSalit Dec 2012 #133

she wouldn't be dead if she was white?you're shitting me backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #141

THink what you will 2naSalit Dec 2012 #145

His actions suggest he was a bit off balance. Chemisse Dec 2012 #139

A cop in uniform with a gun is a terrifying sight to sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #165

do you have ANY evidence he was chasing her backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #143

Why would he fear his life was in danger as she was driving AWAY Bandit Dec 2012 #62

agreed defacto7 Dec 2012 #127

It is true obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #77

The training materials I have seen say... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #53

I think it's pretty safe to infer intent to kill from the use of deadly force. Bake Dec 2012 #60

You do not shoot to wound obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #76

That's the real point. defacto7 Dec 2012 #131

If you've decided to shoot you've decided to kill, full stop. Occulus Dec 2012 #117

As people have been told over and over in the Gungeon Confusious Dec 2012 #132

How very courteous of her ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #57

If there was a serial killer who murdered and pissed on joggers in Runyon Canyon... Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #14

and if there were... bunnies Dec 2012 #23

ROFL Marrah_G Dec 2012 #52

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #55

that's his story.... mike_c Dec 2012 #8

You seem very certain of what actions the officer could have taken to avoid being run over. bunnies Dec 2012 #15

If he could shoot, he could move his body. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #89

Shooting a passenger seems like an ineffective way of stopping the car. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #119

No doubt! xocet Dec 2012 #135

does walmart have video surveilence in their parking lots...? Mel Content Dec 2012 #58

excellent point.... mike_c Dec 2012 #70

I would get out of the way - not stand and aim at the driver. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #28

How do you know that he was standing and aiming at the driver? bunnies Dec 2012 #32

Well - if a car as trying to run me over, ah'd figger the driver was the one aiming at me. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #68

Not SOP for stoppomg a shoplifter obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #75

She (the driver) billh58 Dec 2012 #78

Apparently, you think one can drive while dead. jeff47 Dec 2012 #115

Impossible AlexSatan Dec 2012 #116

wtf was he doing there though? Jamastiene Dec 2012 #138

Correct me if I'm wrong, but.... white_wolf Dec 2012 #6

There's an exception in Texas. The property has to be tangible and movable, slackmaster Dec 2012 #18

He shot in self defense while being threatened with bodily injury. Not for the scumbag thievery. n/t gradient Dec 2012 #84

because he created the situation that threatened his safety... mike_c Dec 2012 #95

Sure. We are an example to the world that violence is the solution for all of our problems. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #109

If it was self-defense, he would have shot the driver. jeff47 Dec 2012 #114

Bullshit! Wind Dancer Dec 2012 #155

So we are worse than Saudi Arabia. Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #7

there is more to the story, she wasn't the one driving, she was with 2 friends JI7 Dec 2012 #13

Of course he says that. How else to justify opening fire. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #29

yeah, if he claims to have been as close as he was to the car JI7 Dec 2012 #36

This happens all the time: Driver attempts to flee, cops open fire. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #17

I think most are just trying to get away former-republican Dec 2012 #40

This puzzles me as well. Drivers fleeing cops seems to be Standard Operating Procedure... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #43

Unfortunately for this version of the story, the cop didn't shoot the driver. jeff47 Dec 2012 #111

How did they get the two kids into the car and buckled into their child seats before this happened? FarCenter Dec 2012 #20

Do you really think ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #26

especially people who take thier children WITH them to steal. nt bunnies Dec 2012 #30

Perhaps they left the kids in the car while they were in the store mythology Dec 2012 #45

I wonder why security guards ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #25

This wasn't just a Walmart or guard service employee -- he was a uniformed law enforcement officer FarCenter Dec 2012 #41

There's really no such thing as a off duty sworn law enforcement officer former-republican Dec 2012 #42

Umm. He's a cop. It's his job to apprehend criminals gradient Dec 2012 #81

It appears that the Gungeon is missing billh58 Dec 2012 #98

"Deadly Frorce" has some specific rules joc46224 Dec 2012 #158

People shouldn't be shot for shoplifting. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #31

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #82

Why does a security guard at WalMart have a gun? adigal Dec 2012 #33

According to the article, if the guard happens to be an off-duty cop jeff47 Dec 2012 #120

The new billh58 Dec 2012 #34

Got any data/links to outright murder is "all too easy to get away with?" Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #46

Which is why gun deaths are at historic lows ... oh wait. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #156

Some police are there to make the world a better place, some are there to enjoy control over others. Democratopia Dec 2012 #35

We need to kill people over stolen material goods Rex Dec 2012 #38

Damn right. Good post. gradient Dec 2012 #83

Troll swings Rex Dec 2012 #124

And you'll all keep shopping there. Pathetic. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #39

Who is "you'll?" I know a lot of poor people have to shop there. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #48

No one forces people to shop at Walmart. No one forces people MichiganVote Dec 2012 #51

Well, your "truth might hurt" a mass of people who probably don't need anymore hurt... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #61

Dignity is costly true. But I don't buy the arguments-sorry MichiganVote Dec 2012 #65

Boycotts are blunt force instruments, and boycotts may be the only... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #144

The "truth hurts" the most when when you start to understand that.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #69

If you can accept that, then you can accept most anything. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #73

Whatever. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #104

I'm going to guess that you don't live in a rural area. WalMart is usually the only choice. libdem4life Dec 2012 #106

I do live in a rural area and I choose not to shop at a merciless shithole like W MichiganVote Dec 2012 #107

And, Walmart does not always have the best prices. IMO it's a mindset that RKP5637 Dec 2012 #151

Are you offering rides to other stores? jeff47 Dec 2012 #112

I am standing up for the millions who are exploited by Walmart. Inclu. you it seems. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #164

No, you're living in a very small world and refusing to consider the world is bigger jeff47 Dec 2012 #166

What a load of self righteous bullshit... SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #168

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #47

The only problem with billh58 Dec 2012 #59

Well, the action that the guard took may have saved his life. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #63

not trying to open the door of a moving car and stand in it might have helped, too.... mike_c Dec 2012 #71

Apparently Walmart did not drill it into this guys head that it's cheaper to let it go. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #80

No, shooting the driver may have saved his life. He shot a passenger. jeff47 Dec 2012 #113

Unless there is a video, no one here knows what really happened Marrah_G Dec 2012 #54

agreed. Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #67

Considering the dead woman wasn't the driver jeff47 Dec 2012 #121

It was an off0duty cop, not a security giard obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #72

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #86

Oh wow... whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #87

before you get deep sixed... mike_c Dec 2012 #90

You're the scum. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #91

He was a cop working as a security guard while off-duty. jeff47 Dec 2012 #118

Isn't this the Second Time in the Last Month an Alleged dballance Dec 2012 #94

But, but, he had billh58 Dec 2012 #97

Sadly I find it best for us all he offed himself dballance Dec 2012 #162

I believe that you're referring billh58 Dec 2012 #163

Well, Walmart is the #1 seller of guns in the USA. Old and In the Way Dec 2012 #161

100% the fault of republican-party backer Walmart and its repressionist policies and gun violence BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #99

Now, now, you're going billh58 Dec 2012 #100

That area around Greens Road, Greenspoint Mall, known as "Gunspoint" already, and that Wal-Mart txwhitedove Dec 2012 #101

10411 North Freeway Houston, TX 77037‎ FarCenter Dec 2012 #110

But she shouldn't have been at the Walmart at all TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #123

Could you point out where that order calls for her execution if she does go in a Wal-Mart? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #125

Wow. Look at all the DU'ers rallying in support of this Scootaloo Dec 2012 #130

I think it's horrifying this idiot took the life of a person over merchandise flamingdem Dec 2012 #134

You're right. It's disgusting lunatica Dec 2012 #147

I used to work at the local Wal Mart here. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #137

Local magistrates and police are overwhelmed by Walmart shoplifting cases. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #140

Why is that Walmart's fault joeglow3 Dec 2012 #157

Have someone steal less than a dollar from you. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #167

Exactly. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #172

Local cops are spending thousands of hours every year PA Democrat Dec 2012 #171

Did I miss the part where she was tried and convicted of shoplifting? Horse with no Name Dec 2012 #142

So the price of a stolen TV is now death? Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author DRS Dec 2012 #150

$$$$$ first, profit first, deaths ... just collateral damage. People last. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #153

The off duty cop. deathrind Dec 2012 #159

Fucking crazy gun nut. No different than morningfog Dec 2012 #160

DU is getting better. Not a single post excoriating the woman for shopping at Walmart. Robb Dec 2012 #169

Perhaps you missed this one: SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #170