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llmart

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21. I don't like to post on threads involving guns....

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:41 PM

Dec 2012

I know I have before, but I just have to say this. The argument that our mental health system is broken and that leads to people not getting the mental health care they need does not take into affect that there are many, many, many (did I say many?) people out there who are mentally ill WHO DON'T THINK THEY ARE OR DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE so they would never go for help. Do you get that? There is always a first time for everything. There are people with guns who think they're perfectly sane, perfectly able to think rationally in all situations, but their assessment of their mental health or abilities is only their assessment. How do you identify those people when you're handing out concealed weapons permits?

Take my word for it. I know whereof I speak.

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The shooting: How many more of these "things" are we going to put up with? [View all] Botany Dec 2012 OP

Remember you are not allowed to discuss gun control when gun crimes are malaise Dec 2012 #1

And that is a shame too isn't it madokie Dec 2012 #2

When the right to weapons supercedes others right to life malaise Dec 2012 #31

You are so right madokie Dec 2012 #35

So, what do you suggest? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #47

please show me the part of the 2nd amendment that says: Botany Dec 2012 #6

There is no part that says that. justanidea Dec 2012 #11

lots of guns and lots of mentally ill people = lots of shootings. Botany Dec 2012 #19

You think that the mentally ill is the biggest problem with homicides former-republican Dec 2012 #26

Ah, another fact free post. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #87

I don't like to post on threads involving guns.... llmart Dec 2012 #21

Since when did a lack of a permit stop a mall shooter? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #49

Doesn't say "Fucking nutballs" ,but it's pretty clear about "shall not be infringed". Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #34

Except for that pesky "milita" stuff that gun culture ignores. Hoyt Dec 2012 #62

I think we've had this argument before, but here goes. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #69

One can analyze all day . Those who don't need a gun in their pants in public, know what it means. Hoyt Dec 2012 #80

Interpretation of that sentence is the problem. Those who ascribe to individual RK&BR, freshwest Dec 2012 #38

We read it even more differently than you suggest. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #50

I think those who believe that is anachronistic hold that we have a different society today. freshwest Dec 2012 #74

No worries, it's been a rough week. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #75

+1 AlexSatan Dec 2012 #89

A well regulated militia SCVDem Dec 2012 #45

You may have meant that sarcastically but... AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #65

I was looking for a loophole SCVDem Dec 2012 #70

As long as this country has a broken health care system this will continue to happen justanidea Dec 2012 #3

One issue does not exclude the other. This madness is multi-faceted. Laurian Dec 2012 #12

For most murders in this country the person wasn't deemed mentality incompetent to stand trial former-republican Dec 2012 #18

"Most people that know them" llmart Dec 2012 #24

IBTL n/t oneshooter Dec 2012 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Dec 2012 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #8

You are correct. Turbineguy Dec 2012 #10

Amen. Laurian Dec 2012 #7

I hunt and own guns Botany Dec 2012 #15

Persuit of Happiness otohara Dec 2012 #27

Too bad the deer don't have guns. n/t RebelOne Dec 2012 #44

I'm glad you don't shoot trees. SCVDem Dec 2012 #48

Increased number? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #52

what larwdem Dec 2012 #60

Fine, I'll do your homework for you. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #63

Don't need "data, " it's evident. Gun culture won't accept it until NRA does study planned for Hoyt Dec 2012 #66

'evident'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #68

Shoppers' Rights Now !! leftstreet Dec 2012 #9

The solutions to violent gun crime are difficult in the US. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #13

That's really not going to decrease gun homicides in this country former-republican Dec 2012 #20

There seems to be a link between education and crime. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #28

A lot of those criminals are already to deeply involved in the criminal culture former-republican Dec 2012 #33

I don't disagree with your post, but I would like to point out that ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #36

"Agree" most of those were mentally ill former-republican Dec 2012 #37

+1 AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #53

Federal registration has little chance of ever becoming law. ... spin Dec 2012 #76

Canada's registration program was obviously designed to frustrate and piss off AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #78

I would place the possibility of registration at the Federal level passing at less than 10% ... spin Dec 2012 #79

Then they aren't really "honest." They are just "thugs/terrorists/criminals." Hoyt Dec 2012 #81

Simple - make a law against shooting people. Problem solved. (nt) The Straight Story Dec 2012 #14

I think we should be allowed to have these. It's a gun. It's called a gun. BlueJazz Dec 2012 #16

OK, but only if you can get a concealed carry permit for it. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #29

Technically you probably can, with the correct paperwork. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #54

In some states with the proper permits, you can. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #55

What are those "obvious reasons" jberryhill Dec 2012 #58

Obvious reasons in that it cannot be used AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #61

The second amendment says nothing about... jberryhill Dec 2012 #64

I don't have to. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #67

The word you seem confused about is "arms". ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #71

Can't wait to hear your plan for collecting 300 million guns! And... Logical Dec 2012 #17

This country is insane when it comes to guns. nt Lex Dec 2012 #23

I agree we seem to have an obsession with them! n-t Logical Dec 2012 #25

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #22

Are the two mutually exclusive? Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #30

But if everyone were armed Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #32

A quick review of the "rules" about when it's okay to discuss gun policy might be in order: TygrBright Dec 2012 #39

TygrBright! NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #41

awww, thanks! Nice to see you, too. TygrBright Dec 2012 #72

Here. I Fixed it: NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #40

Probably quite a few. Kaleva Dec 2012 #42

Another great post by Botany Aldo Leopold Dec 2012 #43

It's as if the NRA is more powerful than our elected officials. Even when a Congresswoman was shot jillan Dec 2012 #46

Arizona acutally has a law that could have prevented that. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Aristus Dec 2012 #51

How do we reverse this new norm? NeoBergie Dec 2012 #56

K&R abelenkpe Dec 2012 #59

I think part of the answer is to tax hell out of ammunition sales. Then only the rich could afford Ford_Prefect Dec 2012 #73

Wow. Who specifically ever said that? flvegan Dec 2012 #77

Infinity. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #82

+1 moondust Dec 2012 #85

So long as it doesn't happen to "me"! Scootaloo Dec 2012 #83

when we evolve as a society to where we deal with the root causes of violent crime backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #84

Until the militia gets well-regulated ... GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #86

hundreds of thousands of them of course dmallind Dec 2012 #88