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In reply to the discussion: Is the Michigan thing the death knell of the American labor movement? [View all]GreenEyedLefty
(2,116 posts)6. Yes... because people forget.
They'll forget until wages fall, when dangerous factory work is the only game in town, when people are so poor they have to work together as a family to make ends meet, child and adults alike, when a decent education is completely unattainable, when health care is out of reach of everyone but the very wealthiest, when they have no time for down time, when "benefits" like lunch breaks become luxuries...
You know, my dad's dad was an original Sit Down striker (1937). Hard to imagine, that organized labor rose and fell in the relatively brief span of my own dad's lifetime.
I haven't been able to call him to talk because I'm afraid we'll both break down.
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Is the Michigan thing the death knell of the American labor movement? [View all]
Stinky The Clown
Dec 2012
OP
yeah, people keep saying so, but... the most significant 'union membership' is now in the public
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#55
Private sector union membership is in the single digit percentages -- it's over.
FarCenter
Dec 2012
#4
Unions are not a high Democratic priority - only mentioned in 4 paragraphs of 32 page 2012 Platform
FarCenter
Dec 2012
#19
That doesn't change the fact that the party platform does not appear to value them.
randome
Dec 2012
#27
Employer pensions are inherently risky because employers have shorter lifespans than workers.
FarCenter
Dec 2012
#31
dunno about that, but the right-to-work thing has a "no referendum allowed" clause built into it.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#57
that's what gives me hope... demographics, there are more of us in the pipeline than them....
oldhippydude
Dec 2012
#30
no, because eventually all the Republicans will lose. They have nothing to offer ...
kwassa
Dec 2012
#13
I read there is a "no referendum" clause built into the legislation (or maybe in a separate piece,
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#59
well, that might work. but you said 'referendum'. so i guess my thinking is that would apply to
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#64
Dunno. I figure it'll take a little bit for the unions to figure out their strategy. (nt)
jeff47
Dec 2012
#67
so this is your personal thought about the strategy to take? or it's under discussion?
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#68
Republicans own the Governorship, Senate, House, and Supreme Court in Michigan
Lefty48197
Dec 2012
#46
This should be the end of the political career of everyone who voted for and sponsored it.
Fire Walk With Me
Dec 2012
#20
Radicalization of labor may be a good thing. But it's less so if severe damage is already inflicted.
Selatius
Dec 2012
#73
No. Republicans are pissing into the wind. Every thing they are doing will be reversed.
bluestate10
Dec 2012
#38
Those that would believe this are those that have never had the honor of working as a union member
lonestarnot
Dec 2012
#52
I think it's a watershed in the same way PATCO was, yeah. It's not just about the right-to-work
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#54
No more than President Obama's election and re-election was the death knell of the republicans.
cherokeeprogressive
Dec 2012
#60