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Metaphorical

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54. There was something that I learned after 2016
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 02:42 AM
Nov 2024

During Clinton's campaign, either Charles or David Koch approached Hillary Clinton about endorsing her over Trump. She told him where to shove it. I thought, then, and am convinced even more, that this was a major strategic error. She should have accepted his endorsement. Had she done so, she would probably have reached out to the coalition of Republicans who were becoming very nervous about Trump, and may have been able to eke out enough Republicans who would have accepted the Koch endorsement without actually losing any Democratic support.

Kamala Harris is the Democratic nominee, but she is also the Vice President of the United States. This means that her constituency even now is not just Democratic voters, but also Republican voters, Independent voters ... everyone. I don't think the Clinton's campaign understood that, even if Hillary likely did. Trump of course doesn't understand that at all. He believes that the only ones who are his constituency are those that are loyal to him, and he is actually under NO obligation to return that loyalty.

I suspect that Liz Cheney and Kamala Harris have had a long conversation. Kamala earned Cheney's loyalty, even though she does not fit into the Democratic mold, and more to the point Liz Cheney also earned Harris' loyalty.

IF WE ARE GOING TO HEAL THIS COUNTRY, WE HAVE TO GET PAST THE PARTISAN DIVIDE ... ALL OF US. There are people here who are going to have trouble accepting that, but it's the reality that we face. Loyalty is earned, but it has to be mutually earned, and that means accepting that there will be people who you may not agree with on all things, but who are willing to take oars and help push this ship forward, regardless of where they came from.

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One thing I just don't get at all [View all] senseandsensibility Nov 2024 OP
I don't think it would make a bit of difference. Ocelot II Nov 2024 #1
If only for this much: the endorsement of the only living REPUBLICAN no_hypocrisy Nov 2024 #2
There is no redemption possible for Cheney and Bush. They are war criminals.always in history irisblue Nov 2024 #28
Mass murderers. Charge them. orthoclad Nov 2024 #34
There's no furor Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #3
Sounds like a ginned up - but EVERYONE hasn't endorsed her thing underpants Nov 2024 #9
I'm with you on this. Jit423 Nov 2024 #4
I think, since the Cheneys endorsed, there was a movement for Shrub to do the same. Gaytano70 Nov 2024 #5
It has to do witih getting the votes of people who LIKE him. nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #19
All 3 of those votes -- his wife and 2 daughters -- would not affect the outcome. wnylib Nov 2024 #33
If there are only 3 people who still like George Bush then how come the election is close??????????????? LAS14 Nov 2024 #37
Um...I think we were talking about George Bush. wnylib Nov 2024 #40
There might be 5 US voters that this would impact positively. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2024 #6
It boggles my mind that we are trumpeting the endorsement of the Cheney's. The F-ing CHENEY'S!?! nt kelly1mm Nov 2024 #7
You seem to be overlooking the purpose of endorsements. LAS14 Nov 2024 #18
Do we as a party WANT the votes of people who like the Cheneys? Are we THAT big of a kelly1mm Nov 2024 #25
Of COURSE we want the votes of anyone who will vote!!!!!!! We're trying to win the election!!!!!!!!! (Yelling). nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #35
I am not willing to sell the soul of the Democratic Party just to win an election, which I think kelly1mm Nov 2024 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Nov 2024 #45
Of course we want votes from as many people as possible! ShazzieB Nov 2024 #47
Liz Cheney is a war monger and her father is a war monger, war profiteer and war criminal. I kelly1mm Nov 2024 #48
And you are absolutely entitled to your opinion. ShazzieB Nov 2024 #49
There was something that I learned after 2016 Metaphorical Nov 2024 #54
You make a compelling argument for maybe considering embracing Liz Cheney. However her father kelly1mm Nov 2024 #56
I agree. Easterncedar Nov 2024 #8
His silence is a non-endorsement Captain Zero Nov 2024 #11
It's not like he's got any traction with today's Republicans. paleotn Nov 2024 #10
Harlan Crow is on Board of his Presidential Library jojog Nov 2024 #12
Another reason we should not seek his endorsement senseandsensibility Nov 2024 #13
I agree Skittles Nov 2024 #14
Maybe Faux pas Nov 2024 #15
"Why would we want the endorsement of such a person?" LAS14 Nov 2024 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Nov 2024 #55
Anyone who would be swayed by him is probably already voting for Kamala ecstatic Nov 2024 #17
Maybe he's ReRe Nov 2024 #20
Maybe he realizes his endorsement could do more harm than good SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2024 #21
Oh I doubt that. BWdem4life Nov 2024 #30
But people around himay know. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2024 #32
GeeDumbya and Cheney The Dick belong in The Hague for a war crimes trial. OMGWTF Nov 2024 #22
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn! (About George Bush) Aussie105 Nov 2024 #23
It might give some "permission" to vote for Harris William Seger Nov 2024 #24
Agreed... don't know why people want war criminals and neocons to endorse VP Harris WarGamer Nov 2024 #26
Because Jughead Nov 2024 #27
Totally agree... robleb Nov 2024 #29
Wow, did he finally do it? Warpy Nov 2024 #31
Nope Polybius Nov 2024 #59
Ole dubya askyagerz Nov 2024 #36
He's his mother's son. Remember old Babs? It's always us against them. MMBeilis Nov 2024 #38
No. w is buddies with Michelle Obama. Yes, he's a war criminal. But, he did jump through some mucifer Nov 2024 #41
No, yes. Buddies with Michelle? Yeah, well, Hitler liked dogs. MMBeilis Nov 2024 #62
It's not about Bush as much as Leith Nov 2024 #39
Until Trump came along... Grumpy Old Guy Nov 2024 #42
You are giving short-shrift to the truly terrible Tweedy Nov 2024 #44
Wasn't there a Time magazine cover asking that very question? Grumpy Old Guy Nov 2024 #50
It was Rolling Stone Grumpy Old Guy Nov 2024 #51
not close to as bad Skittles Nov 2024 #63
Messieurs Buchanan and Pierce's Tweedy Nov 2024 #64
I don't think we do. Tweedy Nov 2024 #43
W is a waste. His daughter makes him look civil stollen Nov 2024 #52
I agree, I think Mike Pence would be a better one JI7 Nov 2024 #53
W. Bush SalamanderSleeps Nov 2024 #57
Maybe his friends, the Clinton's and Obama's, can still convince him? Kaleva Nov 2024 #58
I don't want any Republican endorsements, at all. Not one. mucholderthandirt Nov 2024 #60
Maybe we should just frame it as "LATEST NEWS: GEORGE W. BUSH DOES NOT ENDORSE TRUMP" SupportSanity Nov 2024 #61
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