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175. Man is not a rational animal, man is an animal that rationalizes

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:23 AM

Dec 2012

That's where you go wrong, you think people are rational and make decisions that are rational for the most part.

The older I get the more convinced I become that what drives more human behavior than any other single thing is tribalism. For today's business tribe acknowledging the humanity of their employees is seen by others of their tribe as a betrayal. It is a betrayal of a carefully constructed zeitgeist that even a great many of the employees themselves even have bought into.

Whereas only a few of the employee tribe even recognize they're in a fucking tribe, they're too busy watching stories lauding the business tribe on the business tribes propaganda dissemination device for which the oblivious employee tribe members are paying a noticeable fraction of their income.

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Our future is center-left not far-left. The business community and DLC, not OWS [View all] BrentWil Dec 2012 OP

I'm a socialist.... mike_c Dec 2012 #1

corporate America has spent the past few decades making sure they make more liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #12

Profits are fine BrentWil Dec 2012 #62

You can find the "ultimate expression" in many places BrentWil Dec 2012 #58

the "business community" will save tons of $ if we go to universal health care... msongs Dec 2012 #2

some would, but they'll save just as much if they, like walmart, pay their employees welfare wages HiPointDem Dec 2012 #17

I have always thought the government is the way to solve this in a modern economy BrentWil Dec 2012 #122

The only reason we did expand coverage BrentWil Dec 2012 #63

There's no problem with the business community Scootaloo Dec 2012 #3

There is a told for a strong government BrentWil Dec 2012 #124

+++1 patrice Dec 2012 #128

Well, then, ket the business community needs to think more about what allows them to kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #4

A strong government is needed for the long term success of business. NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #125

It has to regulate business to keep it from destroying itself, devouring true productivity and... freshwest Dec 2012 #200

I agree... BrentWil Dec 2012 #202

DLC is center right. OWS is center left. jeff47 Dec 2012 #5

I get the feeling that "far left" in today's jargon Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #21

That actually isn't to far from the truth BrentWil Dec 2012 #141

The political spectrum is different in different countries. BrentWil Dec 2012 #64

No, you haven't jeff47 Dec 2012 #76

They do exist. They just aren't important. NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #78

The media says so. But the media's wrong. jeff47 Dec 2012 #92

No the public does favor that BrentWil Dec 2012 #142

It's not just one data point........ socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #147

Do I have to link the definition of "example" for you? jeff47 Dec 2012 #165

Mickey Edwards, former GOP congressman from OK, Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #107

The President is center right in the 1960s BrentWil Dec 2012 #143

More so than FDR, but less than JFK, Carter, Clinton & Obama. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #179

+1 LWolf Dec 2012 #212

Threads like this make me miss unrec. white_wolf Dec 2012 #6

+1000 nt Mnemosyne Dec 2012 #13

"The DLC can go straight to hell" - music to my ears, Raksha Dec 2012 #14

Oh, and FUCK Third Way while we're at it! bullwinkle428 Dec 2012 #16

+1 leftstreet Dec 2012 #23

8) DirkGently Dec 2012 #29

I was juror number 3 hrmjustin Dec 2012 #33

Jesus Christ, but Juror #4 makes me question the universal franchise. If you're going coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #44

Here here! UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #34

+1 n/t JoeyT Dec 2012 #84

Job creators �ber alles jsr Dec 2012 #108

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2012 #118

+1,000 nt truebluegreen Dec 2012 #134

++1. nm nc4bo Dec 2012 #144

Same here! Wind Dancer Dec 2012 #184

+1 (nt) Duncan Grant Dec 2012 #191

No one wants the business community to fail. Just a return to ethics & morals in business. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #7

Do you believe in right-to-work? Union Scribe Dec 2012 #8

Take your cheap Third Way corporatist propaganda and stick it where the sun don't shine. Zorra Dec 2012 #9

+1 YoungDemCA Dec 2012 #10

Yep. 99Forever Dec 2012 #18

I couldn't have said it better. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #35

"We do not think that American business is our enemy." YoungDemCA Dec 2012 #11

Could you please point out this huge groundswell movement for "reforms"? bullwinkle428 Dec 2012 #15

Please don't make me roll my eyes quite so forcefully. It hurts a bit. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #19

the current economic model is not sustainable and cannot possibly sustainably provide a western Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #20

Are You Talking About The Immediate Future ??? WillyT Dec 2012 #22

OWS didn't fail because they were radical and anti-business, they failed because they were a joke Azathoth Dec 2012 #24

OWS failed? Really? What criterion\criteria are you using to assess success or coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Dec 2012 #190

I'd call giving emergency response training in NY to the same people who peppersprayed them-- eridani Dec 2012 #52

This sounds like a republican screed AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #99

Go join the fucking Republicans if you want to tongue-kiss Wall Street. Marr Dec 2012 #25

Not the future I want. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #26

Fox news says OWS is dead. Sigh...and the problems we discuss still have not been addressed. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #27

Our future is Climate Change NoOneMan Dec 2012 #28

+100000000000000000000000000000000 AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #100

Sorry, but there is no real future there... ananda Dec 2012 #30

and bs like this DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #31

Bingo.. n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #43

Fuck that DLC noise. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #32

That old Third Way bird doesn't fly anymore. nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #36

I'm sorry, multinationals and big corporations ARE the enemy-- BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #37

+1 freshwest Dec 2012 #201

False equivalencies, lies, and more pointless shit stirring. What a shock. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #38

Of course you know occupy is gone nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #39

Fuck the DLC and Third Way. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #40

There influence is the only reason you do win. NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #160

"There"? Third Way-ers getting spelling lessons from teabaggers now? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #171

I so hope that shit stirring will one day become a legitimate business model. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #41

I've noticed the rhetoric is being ramped up for some reason. Rex Dec 2012 #46

Losing my nerves with the hit and run OP's... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #48

Some will do anything to keep the status quo Rex Dec 2012 #49

Same as 2010 RandiFan1290 Dec 2012 #65

Yes, thank you, exact same crowd. Rex Dec 2012 #89

unrec Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2012 #42

Classic Hit-and-Run OP. (Hat tip to WilliamPitt for coining the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #47

I will defend it... BrentWil Dec 2012 #55

He defended himself in this thread, before he self-deleted: LAGC Dec 2012 #59

Disgusting! Wind Dancer Dec 2012 #187

Says who? Waiting For Everyman Dec 2012 #50

+1 n/t Laelth Dec 2012 #70

Bull n/t kickysnana Dec 2012 #51

Can't have a center without a far. aquart Dec 2012 #53

I think there should be a 'reverse Charlie Crist' xchrom Dec 2012 #54

You are failures RandiFan1290 Dec 2012 #56

If that is the future then this country is fucked. aandegoons Dec 2012 #57

The extremist in the far right scare the business community BrentWil Dec 2012 #156

The business community should be us, the workers, and not a handful of robber barons... nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #60

Everything helped union_maid Dec 2012 #61

What do you win? tama Dec 2012 #66

"We on the Left"??? HughBeaumont Dec 2012 #67

Do I belong on the right? BrentWil Dec 2012 #68

With posts like this, I kind of wonder myself. HughBeaumont Dec 2012 #69

Where do I say they self regulate? NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #72

Center right nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #93

What is normal... BrentWil Dec 2012 #94

The US is too narrow and has shifted right, way to the far right... nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #95

I will stay in the Democratic Party, thank you very much BrentWil Dec 2012 #103

And...so do moderate repubs nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #105

I doubt it BrentWil Dec 2012 #109

You are still center right nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #112

Speaking of the Rockaways... Raksha Dec 2012 #132

FEMA has been working in parallel. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #133

ARC - that stands for American Red Cross, right? Raksha Dec 2012 #145

Yes, the American Red Cross nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #146

What you call "So-called normal systems" are far fairer to their citizens and their economy. HughBeaumont Dec 2012 #98

What's normal is relative to any culture... That's all I said. BrentWil Dec 2012 #101

So we all should ignore standard political science nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #106

I think you are suggesting comparative politics BrentWil Dec 2012 #116

You are still center right nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #117

Well... BrentWil Dec 2012 #119

There are moderate republicans still nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #120

It doesn't hurt BrentWil Dec 2012 #121

But that is where you are nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #123

That's silly. NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #126

Of course it is silly, just a hard core political definition nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #131

hey, wait, i'm still trying to get my head around the "far left" newspeak Dec 2012 #80

Your future maybe. Leave me out of dystopia. marmar Dec 2012 #71

Some people are ProSense Dec 2012 #73

I don't even have a post in one of those threads. NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #159

Are you sure? underoath Dec 2012 #205

Yeah... BrentWil Dec 2012 #214

Pinch yourself and squeal and know that this is real... countryjake Dec 2012 #74

And working people should be supported so they can join the middle class NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #158

Bookmarking for later JHB Dec 2012 #75

Okay. nT BrentWil Dec 2012 #157

Is this a joke? You have no idea what OWS is about. eilen Dec 2012 #77

They are the same in that the tea party helps us more the the GOP BrentWil Dec 2012 #79

Total BS. BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #163

We won by 3 percent because Obama ran an... BrentWil Dec 2012 #168

Nice RW talking points you got there, bro. BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #181

Romney was not crushed. Look at the numbers. randome Dec 2012 #182

Given that the M$M was cheer leading RMoney BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #196

You obviously either know nothing about OWS or are poking fun. OWS is =non-partisan= Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #170

I disagree. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #81

Sure we can BrentWil Dec 2012 #82

I wasn't just talking about carbon, or just about the developed world. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #85

Markets only function if there is more than one seller BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #164

"The business world" needs to stop usurping political power and undermining the country. eShirl Dec 2012 #83

Where is the Third Way or 'moderate' counterpart to Occupy Sandy? Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #86

Occupy Sandy is amazing BrentWil Dec 2012 #155

What you hold as good is antithetical to the DLC that I know. cprise Dec 2012 #87

History is kindest to the pragmatic that moves in the right direction. NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #154

Letting multinationals run rampant over the 99% BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #166

If you're standing up for fairness and equality of opportunity, we've got your back. #OWS Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #88

Certain people still fear the effects of OWS Rex Dec 2012 #90

Well thanks BrentWil Dec 2012 #153

Dear OP, still waiting to hear all about the Thrid Way Moderate's program to help Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #91

You can be left of center and not be FAR LEFT AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #96

I don't BrentWil Dec 2012 #152

Hogwash AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #178

Being "moderate" is why we are in the situation we are in economically. mmonk Dec 2012 #97

And the 1930s are very liberal when compared to 1910... BrentWil Dec 2012 #151

How can the future be "DLC" when the DLC doesn't exist? NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #102

The DLC is now The Third Way. It very much exists. They changed their sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #111

The DLC didn't change its name; it disbanded around the same time the RLC did. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #114

It morphed. But same policies and many of the same people. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #115

That is true BrentWil Dec 2012 #150

we should move to position our party as the moderate party? No thanks. bowens43 Dec 2012 #104

The Democratic leadership are ALL capitalists davidn3600 Dec 2012 #110

You could have made your point without bashing OWS Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #113

There would be no fucking center-left if there was no far-left. RagAss Dec 2012 #127

Much depends on how one definies "business community" arcane1 Dec 2012 #129

OWS isn't Far Left. It includes the Far Left. You've heard of Horizontal Empowerment? nt patrice Dec 2012 #130

speak for yourself n/t warrprayer Dec 2012 #135

DLC's strategy is, 'if they'll move right, make em move righter.' closeupready Dec 2012 #136

The future is a Democratic Party that is pragmatic or BrentWil Dec 2012 #137

Politics swings like a pendullum - that's well-known. closeupready Dec 2012 #161

"Our future is center-left...": 2200 views, 9 recs DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #138

Interesting numbers, and actually a very hopeful sign Raksha Dec 2012 #139

Well... BrentWil Dec 2012 #140

point taken, r.e. multiple views DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #148

Your welcome NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #149

Bleh Marrah_G Dec 2012 #162

If you insist on spouting that shit could you at least throw a picture of TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #167

No, the labor movements are the "natural organizations to work with" for progressives. David__77 Dec 2012 #169

Labor and business are not natural enemies NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #172

! Fumesucker Dec 2012 #173

They aren't BrentWil Dec 2012 #174

Man is not a rational animal, man is an animal that rationalizes Fumesucker Dec 2012 #175

That is why I used the term "natural" BrentWil Dec 2012 #193

Tell that to "business". HughBeaumont Dec 2012 #176

Middle class demand creates jobs, really.. BrentWil Dec 2012 #194

As far as business is concerned . . . markpkessinger Dec 2012 #189

That is largely correct BrentWil Dec 2012 #195

I did not say. Labor should lead capital in an alliance. David__77 Dec 2012 #188

Gosh, thanks for clearing that up for us deutsey Dec 2012 #177

FUCK the DLC. kath Dec 2012 #180

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Lol, probably not that much. Or they would get better representation. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #185

Balderdash! markpkessinger Dec 2012 #186

Obama is a Republican from the 1960s. So what? BrentWil Dec 2012 #192

Problem is that center left is now CALLED far left. DirkGently Dec 2012 #197

FUCK DLC Panasonic Dec 2012 #198

Is that some sort of threat? BrentWil Dec 2012 #199

You don't get to claim Obama or even Bill Clinton DevonRex Dec 2012 #203

Not to be an ass, but the poor spelling made me give up reading your post. octothorpe Dec 2012 #204

I know the difference BrentWil Dec 2012 #208

The DLC needs to fuck off. Chan790 Dec 2012 #206

I think I am going to hurl lunasun Dec 2012 #207

The OP did...right up there /\ renie408 Dec 2012 #211

What do you mean 'we', pale face? renie408 Dec 2012 #209

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