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JohnSJ

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20. The vote was split. Harris held onto union households, but by only a 10-point margin (54-44) compared to Biden's 16
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:34 AM
Nov 2024

point margin.

57% of the voters were working class. From that 57%, only 44 percent of them voted for Kamala Harris, against 54 percent who voted for Donald Trump.

"That’s a lot worse than Joe Biden did in 2020. Biden won 47 percent of the working-class vote, against 51 percent who voted for Donald Trump. Over four years, the Democratic deficit among working-class voters more than doubled from four percentage points to 10 percentage points. Look no further for a reason why Donald Trump won."

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"Harris held onto union households, but by only a 10-point margin (54–44) compared to Biden’s 16-point margin (56–40). If Harris hadn’t been so diffident about labor issues in her campaign, she might have done better. Harris was also hurt when three major unions—the Teamsters, the International Association of Firefighters, and the International Longshoremen’s Association—declined to endorse her (I think out of cowardice). Steve Rosenthal, a former political director of the AFL-CIO who now runs a voter project called In Union, noted that Harris actually bested Biden with union households in Pennsylvania, where it really mattered. In 2020 Biden lost Pennsylvania’s union households, 49–50, whereas in 2024 Harris won them, 54–45. Unfortunately, that gain was not decisive, because union workers are only about 13 percent of all workers in Pennsylvania."

https://newrepublic.com/article/188107/harris-lost-working-class-election

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Remember Trump promised VMA131Marine Nov 2024 #1
+++ JohnSJ Nov 2024 #2
I don't see how this makes much difference JI7 Nov 2024 #6
Exactly, but people bought into it VMA131Marine Nov 2024 #27
taxes Homoudont Nov 2024 #24
Tariffs! VMA131Marine Nov 2024 #25
Yeah, that's not going to happen Johnny2X2X Nov 2024 #26
Well he certainly can't do it without Congress VMA131Marine Nov 2024 #29
A more accurate and productive framing would be that it is the second time that the Democratic leadership Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #3
Nonsense. Let's see how they get along with union busting Trump, musk. and JohnSJ Nov 2024 #4
Not the point - and actually that level of arrogance in taking it for granted that labor will vote Democratic, Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #10
Black women are the ones that vote democratic in highest numbers and then other various JI7 Nov 2024 #7
I never said it was the only issue. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #9
What should Kamala have done? nt Phoenix61 Nov 2024 #12
I've addressed it numerous times, Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #39
Meh. I think it's a form of elitism to assume people are infants. yardwork Nov 2024 #13
We had the audacity to tell people they aren't experiencing what they're experiencing Sympthsical Nov 2024 #14
+1. Many people value food and housing over democracy. dalton99a Nov 2024 #15
Well atreides1 Nov 2024 #30
I'm not arguing the causes. I'm discussing the response to them. Sympthsical Nov 2024 #37
I respectfully disagree. I think they messaged to labor A LOT Coexist Nov 2024 #38
Unions didnt help us much. Trueblue1968 Nov 2024 #5
According to exit polls they split the vote, along with Latinos who also split the vote, and the JohnSJ Nov 2024 #8
I hate to say this Arthur_Frain Nov 2024 #11
How did they drop the ball? Harris won union households at a rate similar to Biden's in 2020. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #16
The vote was split. Harris held onto union households, but by only a 10-point margin (54-44) compared to Biden's 16 JohnSJ Nov 2024 #20
It's always split, no cohort is a monolith. According to those NR numbers, the bleed was similar to Democrats as a WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #21
Every vote counted Whiskey as I am sure you agree, but the differences this time around should have been much greater JohnSJ Nov 2024 #22
As with most cohorts, including much, much larger ones. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #23
Blaming labor, wow. Emile Nov 2024 #17
They were a contributing factor when they split their vote between Harris and trump. They were a major factor when they JohnSJ Nov 2024 #18
You think finger pointing will bring them back? Emile Nov 2024 #19
Didn't unions and labor not endorse because of internal poll kerouac2 Nov 2024 #28
we need to figure that out RJ_MacReady Nov 2024 #31
Change our message to what? The messaging wasn't the problem. That is what we stand for. I am afraid the problem JohnSJ Nov 2024 #34
Prevailing wage Nigrum Cattus Nov 2024 #32
Nice post Tickle Nov 2024 #33
trump is not a friend of labor or workers LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2024 #35
no kidding JohnSJ Nov 2024 #36
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