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tornado34jh

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42. I think we she was screwed from the beginning, not because of her campaign, but by plutocracy
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:17 PM
Nov 2024

It's always been against the oligarchs, more specifically, the plutocracy. They ran on this whole plutophobia campaign. By that, when Biden, Harris and a lot of people wanted more taxes for the extremely rich, they saw that hatred as against the rich. Note: the world suffix pluto- comes from Plutus, the god of wealth/riches, so plutocracy means a government governed by the rich. So from the beginning, the rich always had the advantage. But part of that is because we have such weak laws, if you can even call that, against money in politics. They convinced people, even though it was a scam from the beginning, that if you increase taxes for the extremely rich, it will cascade down.

But really this isn't anything new. It's as old as human civilization itself. The reality is, democracy ruled by your average person is not typically the main government. Even though we say it came from the Greeks and Romans, it really wasn't. It still was ruled by the rich and powerful. Even in very religious, theocratic governments, it's always going to be the rich and powerful. I would guarantee you that the ayatollahs running the government in Iran for example are likely very rich. Most governments in the world are ruled by some variation of ruling class with a lot of money and huge amount of inequality. There are not many people in government who started from the ground up, most were wealthy from the start.

But again, the Republicans have always been pro-plutocracy, and the damage started long ago. Assuming best case scenario where she did win and everything went well, her doing two terms would still be nowhere close enough to reverse the long lasting damage. It's not a dig at Kamala Harris, it's the reality. It probably would take at least two Democratic presidents, each for 8 years, two 4-year terms to do so, all while trying to defeat the plutocracy that has been here for a long time. So from the start Obama, Biden, and Harris were basically tied with at least one hand behind their back, and since 2000 it has only gotten worse.

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Yes! I'm trashing every thread that has some pundit's opinion about how the Harris campaign messed up. -nt CrispyQ Nov 2024 #1
She ran a brilliant campaign, in my opinion. My God, even Republicans were endorsing her! That's the real story. Oh, and LaMouffette Nov 2024 #4
You put you finger on it exactly. FalloutShelter Nov 2024 #52
The Republicans have used propaganda & psychological "tricks" for years to win. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2024 #29
Tend to agree EarlG Nov 2024 #2
I agree 1,000 percent. Those who worship him will have to be hurt by him personally AND they will need to understand LaMouffette Nov 2024 #5
HOWEVER.... tRump has a ton of practice blaming other for his screw ups. groundloop Nov 2024 #15
Going to take a LOT Cosmocat Nov 2024 #9
We spent over a billion plus dollars too. The money was pretty even. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #51
Of the 'official' campaign contributions money, VP Harris spent about 1.02B and President kelly1mm Nov 2024 #54
Oh my gosh. That is indeed a problem. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #56
Take away their guns bdamomma Nov 2024 #22
I'm not holding my breath DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #30
If there even *is* another election... Whatthe_Firetruck Nov 2024 #44
Definitely agree with you La Coliniere Nov 2024 #45
She didn't do anything wrong for sain people, but we still have to understand the electorate better Quixote1818 Nov 2024 #3
Yup. It could take a generation to fix. I just hope we survive that long. LaMouffette Nov 2024 #6
Agree w final point generally Cosmocat Nov 2024 #10
Totally agree anglesphere Nov 2024 #7
Yep - people vote for Democrats to clean up the messes Republican make. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2024 #12
Propaganda, fear and division, misogyny bdamomma Nov 2024 #32
100% agreed Cosmocat Nov 2024 #8
The Reps have been using propaganda since Gingrich/Reagan. People are going to social media for news. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2024 #11
Don't forget the Supreme Court. They're as much to blame as anyone. ificandream Nov 2024 #13
Yes, they are. They basically forced him to run, with their immunity decision. LisaM Nov 2024 #20
I just will not accept the supposed amount johnnyfins Nov 2024 #14
Totally agree. Jit423 Nov 2024 #18
agreed returnee Nov 2024 #26
Not only brainwashing but the billionaire class has access to and uses technology that we don't even know about. Jit423 Nov 2024 #16
Im with you johnnyfins Nov 2024 #43
I agree with everyone who believes that the numbers are extremely suspicious, and so are Trump's pre-election behavior LaMouffette Nov 2024 #49
She ran a spirited campaign but she lost Buckeyeblue Nov 2024 #17
Kamala in general ran a great campaign..... groundloop Nov 2024 #19
exactly what do repukes do to appeal to POC Skittles Nov 2024 #24
A chronology in four frames... ancianita Nov 2024 #21
second verse, same as the first Skittles Nov 2024 #23
What she did wrong was be a woman... Rizen Nov 2024 #25
it's more than that Skittles Nov 2024 #28
AND in an interracial marriage DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #31
ooooh Skittles Nov 2024 #40
Exactly DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #41
Skittles bdamomma Nov 2024 #38
person of color! Skittles Nov 2024 #39
How to "combat these forces"?? DinahMoeHum Nov 2024 #27
She ran the greatest campaign I've ever seen against a Hostile media sky_masterson Nov 2024 #33
I disagree I think overall she played not to lose rather than to win. Jk23 Nov 2024 #34
I believe that the vote total was mostly about the economy Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2024 #35
Harris was never a very good presidential candidate, and I agree that is not her fault. tritsofme Nov 2024 #36
"Corporations are people, my friend." LudwigPastorius Nov 2024 #37
I think we she was screwed from the beginning, not because of her campaign, but by plutocracy tornado34jh Nov 2024 #42
This is it. Exactly. All of what you say. Kind of like climate change, the plutocracy has been creeping into power for LaMouffette Nov 2024 #50
It was a good campaign mvd Nov 2024 #46
why doesn't our side have the same kind of network in place? it baffles me that a prolonged progressive attack from somaticexperiencing Nov 2024 #47
DEADLINE WHITEHOUSE uncovers REAL REASON Why Kamala Lost - Nicole Wallace MSNBC revealing Insights LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2024 #48
She ran an excellent campaign and didn't do anything wrong. She had two strikes against her doc03 Nov 2024 #53
She had me Faux pas Nov 2024 #55
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