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In reply to the discussion: The latest murderer [View all]hack89
(39,181 posts)139. How does registration stop mass killings?
it is not like it is mystery who the shooter is or what weapons he owns.
It won't stop criminals - they simply won't register their weapons. Lets not forget a simple fact: there is presently a huge pool of weapons completely invisible to the government. There will be a huge black market for guns.
Registration is a common gun control desire. It was a colossal and expensive failure in Canada.
In March, Stephen Harpers government reversed decades of increasing restrictions on civilian firearms, scrapping the controversial long-gun registry on grounds that it was wasteful and ineffective. Gun laws, the prime minister correctly said, should focus on criminals rather than law-abiding citizens such as farmers and hunters.
In 2002, the auditor-general revealed that the Firearms Centre had grown out of control. Despite political promises that the program would not cost over $2-million, costs were expected to exceed $1-billion by 2005. By 2012, this had ballooned to $2.7-billion. The auditor-general uncovered irregularities including mismanagement and corruption. Her findings stimulated a parliamentary revolt. In 2003, Parliament imposed an annual spending cap. The auditors reports led to RCMP investigations of Liberal insiders and contributed to the fall of the Liberal government in 2006.
To this day, it has been claimed that the registry is important in protecting women. But in fact, there is no convincing evidence that registering firearms has been effective in reducing either homicide rates overall, or spousal murders in particular. Even though homicide rates have been gradually falling since the 1970s, a wide variety of researchers have been unable to find solid evidence linking gun laws to this decline. Changing demographics, not firearms laws, better explain the decline in homicides involving long guns over the past 20 years. It is difficult to argue that Canadian gun laws are effective when homicide rates have dropped faster in the United States than in Canada since 1991.
A third claim is that long guns are the weapon of choice in domestic homicides, and that registration can help to identify the perpetrator. (This is related to the aforementioned claim that guns promote violence against women.) In fact, the long-gun registry and licensing are rarely needed by police to solve spousal homicides for three reasons: (1) in almost all cases, spousal murderers are immediately identified; (2) firearms are not often used to kill female spouses; and (3) the firearms used by abusive spouses to kill their wives are almost all possessed illegally. Statistics Canada data show that just 4% of long guns involved in homicides were registered.
In 2002, the auditor-general revealed that the Firearms Centre had grown out of control. Despite political promises that the program would not cost over $2-million, costs were expected to exceed $1-billion by 2005. By 2012, this had ballooned to $2.7-billion. The auditor-general uncovered irregularities including mismanagement and corruption. Her findings stimulated a parliamentary revolt. In 2003, Parliament imposed an annual spending cap. The auditors reports led to RCMP investigations of Liberal insiders and contributed to the fall of the Liberal government in 2006.
To this day, it has been claimed that the registry is important in protecting women. But in fact, there is no convincing evidence that registering firearms has been effective in reducing either homicide rates overall, or spousal murders in particular. Even though homicide rates have been gradually falling since the 1970s, a wide variety of researchers have been unable to find solid evidence linking gun laws to this decline. Changing demographics, not firearms laws, better explain the decline in homicides involving long guns over the past 20 years. It is difficult to argue that Canadian gun laws are effective when homicide rates have dropped faster in the United States than in Canada since 1991.
A third claim is that long guns are the weapon of choice in domestic homicides, and that registration can help to identify the perpetrator. (This is related to the aforementioned claim that guns promote violence against women.) In fact, the long-gun registry and licensing are rarely needed by police to solve spousal homicides for three reasons: (1) in almost all cases, spousal murderers are immediately identified; (2) firearms are not often used to kill female spouses; and (3) the firearms used by abusive spouses to kill their wives are almost all possessed illegally. Statistics Canada data show that just 4% of long guns involved in homicides were registered.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/12/11/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did/
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It is sad that so many people will have such a horrific event they need to absorb
rustydog
Dec 2012
#3
it seems there are a lot of bank robberies lately. don't know how valid that perception is but it
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#198
I've already explained it but you won't hear it. Keep playing politics with this.
trouble.smith
Dec 2012
#250
LOL. I didn't realize there were still some gun nuts pushing Fast and Furious conspiracy theories.
DanTex
Dec 2012
#89
There are always some willing to give the police arbitrary power over someone else.
hack89
Dec 2012
#183
no, the intersection of handguns and suicide is not simply a mental health problem:
maxsolomon
Dec 2012
#238
Even if you do nothing else, silence is assent. & Maybe the rest of us would be okay with
patrice
Dec 2012
#94
Since 35,000 people are killed in auto collisions every year, does that make every licenesed driver
jtuck004
Dec 2012
#68
Guns are the only weapons with a major lobby that obstructs all regulations.
Tommy_Carcetti
Dec 2012
#222
So this is about numbers. How is more of some 1 thing that is not intrinsically valuable in and
patrice
Dec 2012
#131
If that means anything at all, it means that MEANWHILE the killing has to stop. This idea that
patrice
Dec 2012
#160
Gun owners are under greater responsiblity to ensure the safety of deadly weapons.
Tommy_Carcetti
Dec 2012
#110
It's not just guns, but the use of guns does have a more direct, more highly probable, relationships
patrice
Dec 2012
#140
I find it hilarious when gun enthusiasts try to distinguish themselves from
morningfog
Dec 2012
#212
Intent doesn't matter. Results do. No-one intends to get their firearms stolen.
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#136
All your cited hunting calibers are far more powerful than most AR-pattern rifles...
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#85
Yes, the spate of "mass axings" in our culture -- at workplaces and shopping malls -- is disturbing
villager
Dec 2012
#64
The UK saw a pretty large spike in knifings after they enacted their near-total gun ban.
Flatulo
Dec 2012
#172
Are you proposing that wholesale reintroduction of guns into the UK will make violence go down?
villager
Dec 2012
#178
Well, throughout history armies slaughtered whole populations with swords and spears.
Flatulo
Dec 2012
#244
I think the real point is that if we could magically make every AR-15 disappear,
Flatulo
Dec 2012
#177
When there is a way to make anything theft-proof, be sure to let us know, O.K.? n/t
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#86
You seemed to be insinuating that the lawful owner did not properly safeguard his property.
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#107
not really most gunsafes are not as secure as most think. A good safe cost more than most
former-republican
Dec 2012
#132
Assuming controlling firearms will make anything better is a putrid leap of logic.
Indydem
Dec 2012
#124
AR-15's are not at all "high powered". No matter how many times you claim they are. n/t
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#157
Here is the link, but it doesn't change the fact, that guns are too readily available
rustydog
Dec 2012
#18
But you are incorrect on that , there are at least 6 states I know of where the .223 is legal
former-republican
Dec 2012
#151
According to the news reports it was stolen by the shooter the day prior. n/t
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#159
Objects that only accidentially or negligently cause harm are not by definition "weapons."
Tommy_Carcetti
Dec 2012
#235
I'm only fixated on it because it is repeated ad nauseum by the gun enthusiasts.
Tommy_Carcetti
Dec 2012
#247
Every gun show at the fairgrounds/firehall I've ever been to requires a 4473 and a background check.
Remmah2
Dec 2012
#41
Not at all. It just requires some extra police work to do interviews and locate people. n/t
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#91
So you seem to be saying that your friend did have criminal history or intent....
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#258
The law states that one may not sell a gun to a person if you have reason to believe that the buyer
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#260
Upon further examination, I see the UN document also guarantees private property rights,
Flatulo
Dec 2012
#245
Looks like a kid. I wonder what happened to him to twist up his mind so badly.
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#93
Okay, fine..........let's include teh Girandoni Repeating Rifle, not an AK-46.
George II
Dec 2012
#196
The Constitution was amended to expand the vote, it wasn't amended to expand........
George II
Dec 2012
#195
There is no restriction of "assault rifles" (which you probably can't define) inherent....
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#221
Depending on the state you live in, out of a crowd of 30 people, you can assume 7 have a permit to
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2012
#220
There is plenty of reason to oppose the NRA without making crap up, even as snark.
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#169
Interesting hypothesis.... but your facetiousness really isn't helpfull. n/t
PavePusher
Dec 2012
#219