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In reply to the discussion: "The rich" are fleeing Britain and France following high tax hikes. [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,160 posts)71. A fact check on the British figures:
That's where the problems for the claimants start. Last week, Tax Research UK pointed out that drawing these conclusions ignores the elephant in the room: the fact that HMRC itself found evidence of £18 billion worth of 'forestalling' in the first 50p year.
In HMRC's own words:
This suggests that the figures for 2009-10 are larger than would have otherwise been the case if the policy hadn't been announced and these people hadn't brought forward their declared income (certain people can alter the 'timing' of their income, sometimes to avoid changes in rates). HMRC confirm this in their latest statistics release:
Claiming that thousands of millionaires simply 'left' the UK thus misses the point: a simple look at the figures shows that the overall number of taxpayers remained almost unchanged between 2009/10 and 2010/11. Following the introduction of the rate, much of the deterioration in declared incomes over £1 million will have been a result of abnormally high levels in 2009/10 due to forestalling.
Where forestalling occurs, we can also reasonably expect an 'unwinding' effect were the income figures will return to stability, which again demonstrates the partial picture painted by taking only the first year's effect of the policy in drawing conclusions about it's overall impact.
http://fullfact.org/factchecks/labour_50p_tax_rate_millionaires_leave_country-28645
In HMRC's own words:
"...there was a considerable behavioural response to the rate change, including a substantial amount of forestalling: around £16 billion to £18 billion of income is estimated to have been brought forward to 2009-10 to avoid the introduction of the additional rate of tax."
This suggests that the figures for 2009-10 are larger than would have otherwise been the case if the policy hadn't been announced and these people hadn't brought forward their declared income (certain people can alter the 'timing' of their income, sometimes to avoid changes in rates). HMRC confirm this in their latest statistics release:
"Forestalling in 2009-10 exerts a significant influence on the projected profile of combined liabilities due at higher and additional rates of tax. These are projected to have fallen in 2010-11 as incomes for the richest decline from forestalled to below normal levels, but recover in later years as these special factors subside, and economic recovery is assumed to build."
Claiming that thousands of millionaires simply 'left' the UK thus misses the point: a simple look at the figures shows that the overall number of taxpayers remained almost unchanged between 2009/10 and 2010/11. Following the introduction of the rate, much of the deterioration in declared incomes over £1 million will have been a result of abnormally high levels in 2009/10 due to forestalling.
Where forestalling occurs, we can also reasonably expect an 'unwinding' effect were the income figures will return to stability, which again demonstrates the partial picture painted by taking only the first year's effect of the policy in drawing conclusions about it's overall impact.
http://fullfact.org/factchecks/labour_50p_tax_rate_millionaires_leave_country-28645
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"The rich" are fleeing Britain and France following high tax hikes. [View all]
dixiegrrrrl
Dec 2012
OP
Furthermore, if you leave, you're not allowed to do business in or with the country anymore.
backscatter712
Dec 2012
#14
True. The US does not have the same constraints that France or any other EU country would have.
pampango
Dec 2012
#77
They used retroactive laws for the FISA bill. But then, that benefited the wealthy
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#19
I have Long Considered This, Sir, the Most Appropriate Possible Use For Our Country's Military
The Magistrate
Dec 2012
#6
When You Demonstrate Some Knowledge Of How Tax Shelters Actually Work, Sir, We Might Talk
The Magistrate
Dec 2012
#79
Whatever! Then they were not really French or British; they merely liked the scenery.
WinkyDink
Dec 2012
#9
If your last contention is true, then why would they be leaving because of higher taxes? I'm really
Cleita
Dec 2012
#48
Forget them. I really want to get rid of the bankers and insurance companies and nationalize them.
Cleita
Dec 2012
#69
IMO, those rich who are fleeing Britain and France were making no monetary contribution to their
ladjf
Dec 2012
#16
I'd be willing to stop spending trillions of dollars bailing them out after they
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#29
First, there's no "75% tax rate". It's a temporary add-on for income over $1 million. Income below
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#25
depp wasn't paying french taxes in the first place & recently split with his french girlfriend. he
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#89
didn't mean to blame you -- the press always reports like that, like people are being taxed 75%
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#88
Thread title: ""The rich" are fleeing Britain and France following high tax hikes."
closeupready
Dec 2012
#52
Of course in Rowling's case, vast income and 'working' are no longer tied.
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2012
#58
Taxation doesn't differentiate between those actively working and those already wealthy
mainer
Dec 2012
#72
"Thankfully, few are seeking exile to exempt themselves from being in solidarity with fellow French
adirondacker
Dec 2012
#85
It mis time for the industrialized countries to impose sanctions on tax avoidance nations.
kelliekat44
Dec 2012
#81