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35. This guy is so wise and such an excellent writer.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:57 PM
Nov 2024

I really like this essay. Thanks for posting it. And I have always liked and admired Kareem, all the way back to his days when as “Lew Alcindor” he was a standout for John Wooden’s UCLA Bruins.

Here, by the way, is the link for those who would like to see it at the source:
https://kareem.substack.com/p/trump-is-president-and-other-stories

What an excellent Substack! I subscribed instantly.

Many of the comments in this thread have focused exclusively on this paragraph and found it unsatisfying or naive:

How do we live with our friends, families, and neighbors who voted for a rapist, racist, and fraudster? We give them grace. We assume that, though their minds were clouded by their lack of critical thinking, in their hearts they still want a compassionate America that embraces all of its people and protects their rights. They made a mistake, like a child sticking its finger in an electrical socket. Let it go as that and be the person that maybe influences them to think better next time.

I think Kareem’s take is exactly correct. Why waste time lecturing (or hating) the brainwashed? We have more important work to do (emphasis mine):
Take a day or week to mourn, those of you who still believe in our Constitution and the country we could be. Then roll up your sleeves and prepare for four years of battle to save our country from becoming the tyrannic state that Trump and his supporters envision. They expect us to be humbled and docile. We won’t be. We are better than this election. Let’s prove it.

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Kareem Abdul Jabbar's comment [View all] trickyrick3 Nov 2024 OP
He is wrong. We cannot assume our fellow Americans want a compassionate, fair America. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #1
We now live in an America where over half think they deserve rights that the other half should not have. Lonestarblue Nov 2024 #6
We live in a country where it is a crime to save a woman's life. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #16
The leopards are going to get fat eating their faces... StarryNite Nov 2024 #9
The pancake makeup is carcinogenic. rubbersole Nov 2024 #19
I think it's pretty clear that is the last thing they want. ECL213 Nov 2024 #28
Kareem isn't always right misanthrope Nov 2024 #56
Isn't that what the founding fathers preached? "When in the course of human events... brush Nov 2024 #52
Correct. This is not new. Bluetus Nov 2024 #62
Good post. Welcome to DU. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #63
Very well put. underpants Nov 2024 #2
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2024 #3
Kareem makes a lot of sense. jalan48 Nov 2024 #4
He's a better person than I am. yardwork Nov 2024 #5
One more member of The Resistance. Jeebo Nov 2024 #7
I remember that very well (about Mikey calling it "resistance radio") choie Nov 2024 #38
"The next four years will be a shit show" Ray Bruns Nov 2024 #8
"... dance around a pagan fire like the deranged children in Lord of the Flies." William Seger Nov 2024 #10
I will try to show them grace, La Coliniere Nov 2024 #11
I'll be tolerant of them.....that's it. Grace??? They're not worthy of grace. a kennedy Nov 2024 #34
Tolerant my ass. I'm staying as far away from them as I can. calimary Nov 2024 #60
KnR Hekate Nov 2024 #12
that is good, barbtries Nov 2024 #13
He has more faith in our decency than I do 0rganism Nov 2024 #14
Well said, but I don't really think we *are* better than this relayerbob Nov 2024 #15
"We assume that,...they...want a compassionate America that embraces all of its people and protects their rights." LudwigPastorius Nov 2024 #17
Sorry, Kareem, I cannot do it. lastlib Nov 2024 #18
It's not pagan. love_katz Nov 2024 #20
Ahmen! Felicita Nov 2024 #22
Yes! THIS.☝️ Duppers Nov 2024 #40
I have no more Grace to give. SaveOurDemocracy Nov 2024 #21
They own the media DownriverDem Nov 2024 #23
My heart is much darker than this, but I see how his message puts a nice face on it. ffr Nov 2024 #24
Kareem was restrained by his standing in oasis Nov 2024 #33
There will be nothing left bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #25
Thanks. But I will form... littlemissmartypants Nov 2024 #26
Thanks. But I will form... littlemissmartypants Nov 2024 #27
Having grace toward those who have none is not an easy task. madaboutharry Nov 2024 #29
love it Skittles Nov 2024 #30
Truth, but I want accountabilty for what Orange Julius has been charged with in 4 legal venues. Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #31
Kareem stated the situation we're in with class oasis Nov 2024 #32
This guy is so wise and such an excellent writer. Pinback Nov 2024 #35
Naive is an understatement. choie Nov 2024 #37
What did you think of the other five paragraphs in the piece? (nt) Pinback Nov 2024 #44
It was very well written. But, I''m not in the frame of mind choie Nov 2024 #45
Understood. We all have a lot of rage right now, Pinback Nov 2024 #50
Except we're not better than this election choie Nov 2024 #36
Fooled me too malaise Nov 2024 #39
There is a woman who lives across the street from me... stillcool Nov 2024 #41
You're Better Than I Am SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #49
I don't know what's in her heart... stillcool Nov 2024 #53
It is possible to remain civil while being curt misanthrope Nov 2024 #57
Ignoring Someone Is Not Starting Something Acrimonious SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #58
Fuck some grace, Kareem. That ran out in 2000. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #42
Can you offer forgiveness choie Nov 2024 #46
Me either. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #47
Amen Coexist Nov 2024 #43
Brilliant ThePartyThatListens Nov 2024 #48
Thank you Kareem, I agree with your assessment, with the exception of ASSUMING they are "misguided". I cannot go that JohnSJ Nov 2024 #51
I respect his ideas, but he is giving the assholes and delusional morons Hassler Nov 2024 #54
"They made a mistake, like a child sticking its finger in an electrical socket." Montauk6 Nov 2024 #55
He keeps on saying the "next four years" Jarqui Nov 2024 #59
The consequences of another Trump presidency will have a much greater influence on those who voted for him... Martin Eden Nov 2024 #61
Lady Liberty may soon utter "forgive them; for they know not what they do" andym Nov 2024 #64
Good man hootman Nov 2024 #65
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