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Sympthsical

(10,960 posts)
39. Calling out conspiracy is very called for
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:33 AM
Nov 2024

Very, very.

Especially since just this weekend information was given about these "questions" about audits and it seems like it was ignored entirely. I know, because that information was right there in our PA election exchange.

It's on the secretary of state's website.

So people can't manage to read a state's election rules and processes, but they can consume tons of unverified claims, speculation, and "this could have happened, possibly, maybe" on social media and spread it.

When the actual Secretary of State information never makes it through the bubble because social media speculation is just too confirming of what one wants to believe, yeah, I'm going to call that out. That is bad thinking. It is bad logic.

And it's a look that damages us, because we look kooky.

Here it is. Again.

After every primary and general election--and before any results are certified--Pennsylvania's counties conduct two separate, distinctly different types of audits:

2% statistical recount. Required by state law, the 2% statistical recount occurs in each county. During this audit, county boards of elections pull a random sample of either 2% of all ballots cast in all races OR a random sample of 2,000 ballots, whichever number is fewer.

Statewide risk-limiting audit (RLA). RLAs are are scientifically designed procedures that use statistical methods to confirm election outcomes. RLAs examine a random sample of paper ballots, comparing the votes on paper to the totals reported by the vote-counting machines to ensure that the reported outcome of the contest being audited is correct. These types of audits can confirm that voting systems tabulated the paper ballots accurately enough that a full hand count would produce the same outcome.
After three years of performing RLA pilots, the Department of State in September 2022 directed all Pennsylvania counties to participate in a statewide RLA for every primary and general election beginning with the Nov. 8, 2022, general election.

Each county's certified voting system provides a voter-verifiable paper record of each vote cast, meets the latest standards of security and accessibility, and can be thoroughly audited.

Every voting system and paper ballot in Pennsylvania must include plain text that voters can read to verify their choices before casting their ballot, and every system has successfully completed penetration testing, access-control testing and testing to ensure that every access point, software and firmware are protected from tampering. Many other important recommendations by national security and cybersecurity experts are in place in Pennsylvania, including mandatory pre-election testing of all voting equipment.

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Starlink questions [View all] Botany Nov 2024 OP
I don't keepthemhonestO Nov 2024 #1
Well Marc Elias is working for her campaign gab13by13 Nov 2024 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #15
Right keepthemhonestO Nov 2024 #65
They are doing it and bragging about it now, gab13by13 Nov 2024 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #5
I agree, I think the fact that musk's equipment was used... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #11
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Why would "they" allow Musk gab13by13 Nov 2024 #22
Good question... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #32
Trump regularly speaks with Putin. So he says Autumn Nov 2024 #63
Not this year because of health reasons but I have been doing election protection work for 20 years Botany Nov 2024 #7
It, like so many other things Trump, doesn't pass... Hugin Nov 2024 #29
Thanks Botany Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #79
See post # 22 why would a person, Musk, who has been in touch with Putin multiple times be allowed ... Botany Nov 2024 #85
it may show something, it may not. mopinko Nov 2024 #27
It's all complete nonsense Abnredleg Nov 2024 #3
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It's not a matter of trust Abnredleg Nov 2024 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #17
Opinions without facts are worthless Abnredleg Nov 2024 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #34
You mean like you are making? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2024 #78
I guess it depends on what you mean by "ok" FBaggins Nov 2024 #28
This wouldn't matter if all parties are involved in the wrong-doing. Linda ladeewolf Nov 2024 #73
oh, good, paper ballots were chosen so audits and recounts can be done.... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #9
Audits are standard in almost states Abnredleg Nov 2024 #12
Cool beans. Hopefully they'll get started on that. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #18
Now you're being silly Abnredleg Nov 2024 #24
Why would the SOS's political affiliation matter... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #36
Just saying a Dem doesn't have a motive to conceal Abnredleg Nov 2024 #38
I'm questioning whether the indications of foulplay... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #48
There are only indications of false conspiracy theories Abnredleg Nov 2024 #56
If they don't know how it happened they wouldn't know if there was fraud. travelingthrulife Nov 2024 #64
As discussed in 2020, there are multiple layers of security Abnredleg Nov 2024 #66
True, we haven't heard from the campaigns, yet. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #68
There was a county election... 2naSalit Nov 2024 #47
Link please? /nt Abnredleg Nov 2024 #58
There were county mismatches Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #81
Audits of any swing state results against ballots... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #10
They are doing audits Abnredleg Nov 2024 #16
It's been explained Sympthsical Nov 2024 #21
I guess we'll have to wait until we get some answers first though. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #25
But audits do not necessarily have to be acted upon.. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #23
And they need to check the poll book entries count against yourout Nov 2024 #26
Yep, and some places haven't even finished the full count yet. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #31
This is all standard procedure Abnredleg Nov 2024 #60
People are dodging the obvious question - why would Democrats go along with it? Sympthsical Nov 2024 #19
Why would you accuse Democrats of going along with anything? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #30
I'm not the one making the accusations - the conspiracy theorists are Sympthsical Nov 2024 #51
People are asking for verification of results due to questionable activity. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #53
People are doing a lot more than that Sympthsical Nov 2024 #59
What more do you see being done by "people"? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #70
Comparing DUers honest questions to QAnon is uncalled for. gab13by13 Nov 2024 #33
Calling out conspiracy is very called for Sympthsical Nov 2024 #39
The 2004 election was stolen, hacked gab13by13 Nov 2024 #44
Horses to water, man Sympthsical Nov 2024 #49
Have PA's audits been done yet? or any state's audits? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #50
What's the rush? Abnredleg Nov 2024 #107
I was responding to a post that seemed to suggest... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #109
They haven't Abnredleg Nov 2024 #111
Yes, the audits have not begun so no issues have surfaced yet. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #112
So what was the point of your OP? Abnredleg Nov 2024 #113
Audits are not mandatory in every state... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #114
If fraud is found they will act Abnredleg Nov 2024 #115
What I find most curious... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #116
The polls were accurate and the Starlink claim has been debunked Abnredleg Nov 2024 #117
The Polls were ACCURATE??? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #118
Starlink is a communications carrier. Data sent over it would be routinely encrypted. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #35
You mean like the programmer in 2004 gab13by13 Nov 2024 #46
No, I have no idea what "routed the information from Ohio to a warehouse in Tennessee" refers to muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #72
Yes, Republicans Steal Elections annielion Nov 2024 #82
Twenty years in software development, and I do not see a way to steal the election at scale Amishman Nov 2024 #102
This has been explained 500x already Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #37
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Let's just think this thru Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #41
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I'm not that new Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #42
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I'm asking for actual proof Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #55
You're the one who has been poking and prodding him this entire time - How about you stop harassing them and go? Lancero Nov 2024 #61
Look, I'd be the first one to be on your side Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #62
Good, let's do the "not terribly hard" work to compare all the totals. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #57
We're pointing out that they are doing audits Abnredleg Nov 2024 #67
I believe the audits will have to done after the counting is finished... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #69
And? Abnredleg Nov 2024 #71
Your post said the audits are being done... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #96
But they will be done Abnredleg Nov 2024 #97
I think you're fighting all this a little too hard. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #103
No - the issue is you aren't making a convincing argument Abnredleg Nov 2024 #104
trump won by a very unexpected, surprising even, margin... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #105
Both of these points have been refuted Abnredleg Nov 2024 #106
I think YOU are tilting the actual windmills. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #108
Whatever Abnredleg Nov 2024 #110
Good questions. I've asked the same. So far... ancianita Nov 2024 #74
Thank you Botany Nov 2024 #86
Shared oligarch values -- for global power and control of global wealth. Elon came to the wealthiest ancianita Nov 2024 #88
Starlink is an internet service provider. LeftInTX Nov 2024 #91
Starlink is not what you think. ancianita Nov 2024 #92
Pretty sure satellite is used as an ISP on planes! LeftInTX Nov 2024 #93
We don't run all communications through planes, though, do we. No, we don't. ancianita Nov 2024 #94
Here is a link. I'm on my phone. And can't copy text. LeftInTX Nov 2024 #95
To argue that 5% of Internet service is important is 5% helpful. Maybe that 5% will impact our national security. ancianita Nov 2024 #98
I do. But don't have 24/7 to devote to this. LeftInTX Nov 2024 #99
Starlink is a communication system Progressive dog Nov 2024 #75
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How do you make it believable? Progressive dog Nov 2024 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #84
You implied that Progressive dog Nov 2024 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #89
if you are here to sell conspiracy theories Progressive dog Nov 2024 #90
Starlink is a satellite-based international network that allows subscribers to access the world wide web the same way Martin68 Nov 2024 #76
It is so secure that Russia got a few terminals and knew where the Ukraine terminals were, early in the game. LiberalArkie Nov 2024 #77
Starlink is an eventual bane to terrestrially based astronomy misanthrope Nov 2024 #100
I'm NEVER Giving Another Dime SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #101
FACT FOCUS: Election officials knock down Starlink vote rigging conspiracy theories LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2024 #119
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